[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2001624]This is medical science, "ideology" has nothing to do with it. I don't know your ideology and you don't know mine.
So, scientifically, how is anyone to know that these anecdotes are "factual cases". Where's the proof, the scientific proof? Is the whole world just supposed to take someone's word for it? And even if they are trying to be truthful, their facts and conclusions are probably way off the mark
What needs to be done to answer to question would be a large, multi-centered, randomized, double blind study. Take 5,000 people who have been vaccinated and 5,000 that refused and test them weekly for COVID and interview them for symptoms. Keep a chart of when they were vaccinated. Then we could get a better idea of the breakthrough rate as well as the time course of immunity from the vaccine. I don't know of any group that is actually conducting such a study.[/
Then you have no grounds on which to base your facts because statistics are missing and most people dealing with covid are not being tracked! It’s all hyperbole.
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