Originally Posted by MartinSE
I don;'t recall ANYONE being forced to buy electric. Did you get a visitor with a large gun that threatened you? (that was silly, but so is your constant use of the word FORCE. There are incentives to encourage people who are on the fence to buy electric, which will accelerate the adoption and the will help companies cover the cost of conversion.
Yes, EVs with batteries are NOT perfect right now for EVERYONE. They are perfect right now for many. Tesla is currently backordered for close to a year, because they are in fact PERFECT for many - too man y to keep up with demand.
As to your comment about battery life: Here is the warranty information on Tesla - sort of disagrees with your exaggerated commetn:
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Battery and Drive Unit Limited Warranty
The Battery and Drive Unit in your vehicle are covered for a period of:
Model S Model X
8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive
8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 Long Range
Model 3 Performance
Model Y Long Range
Model Y Performance
8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
These warranties cover the repair or replacement necessary to correct defects in the materials or workmanship of any parts manufactured or supplied by Tesla, which occur under normal use.
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At 8 years they are warranted to still hold 70% of their capacity. So, using your numbers, the degrading to 400 miles will not be tomorrow it will be in 8 years or 120,000 to 150,000 miles. At that point, there will be a market for those to be used as solar storage for homes of people that can't afford a new battery wall. So some of the cost of replacing will be recoverable. How much, no way to predict something 8 years in the future.
They do NOT stop working at that point, the will continue working for many more years if you don't want to replace them.
In 8 years battery technology will be vastly better than today, that includes lower cost, longer life, and faster charging.
Now, considering the cost of an EV, which you claim no one can afford (except those people waiting in line to get their backordered car).
Typical Tesla owners see ZERO $0 maintenance cost for the first 40,000 miles (if they do not abuse the car). Brakes will certainly outlast any ICE car because of the regenerative braking. I believe Tesla has considered simply giving a life time warranty on brakes because they pretty much don't wear out - and it would be good marketing.
Cost of fuel for the same period saves about $2,000 per year over a BMW.
Cost of fuel and maintenance for a typical BMW is about $20,000 for 100,000 miles. Typical total cost of ownership for a Tesla over the same period is around $4,500.
So, IF one wanted to replace the batteries after 150,000 miles. The net cost would be around ZERO - considering the TCO paid by the average BMW owner compared to the TCO of the Tesla.
So, as I said at the top of this, the EVs are NOT perfect for everyone, but they are PERFECT for many - so many Tesla can not keep up with demand. They just opened their Giga factory in Texas to help, but it will be years (decades maybe) before EVs can keep up with demand. To replace the 300 million cars on the road in the US with EVs will take decades at the most optimistic production ramp up rates. Not to mention infrastructure changes etc to support them.
I am sorry, it upsets you so much that EVs are coming. I am sorry it upsets you so much that the government is supporting conversion to EVs. The Government has always (since the beginning of the US) supported industry in many ways - subsidies (a relatively recent invention) is just one way the government attempts to guide industry to do what the people want (need?)
But, while there are many issues with EVs, your repeated comments on affordability and longevity and desirability are at best an exaggeration. They may be true for you, but NOT for everyone as you imply. If fact, I know a lot of Tesla owners, and they are just your average TV residents, and ever single one that I know is thrilled with their Teslas. Two of my children own Teslas and they gush constantly on their cars, and rave about the cost savings and fun of driving.
And to your last comment, "why force us to change now when we can continue on gas for years" (Paraphrased). No one is forcing you, on the other hand, if you are correct and we have enough oil for years, then we are in deep ****. Because if we start right now, and we are, ramping up production, it will take no less than decades to replace the ICE vehicles. So, based on your estimate, how are people going to get to work for the decades after we run out of oil? And if we ONLY have a years of oil left, I assume you know what happens to the price of a resource as it begins to run out? Yeah, you think $5.00/gal for gas is unsustainable? Just wait until the oil companies KNOW they only have 10 years of oil left in their wells - the price will skyrocket, and that will not be a good time to try to ramp up and alternative.
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