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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

Do you really think that I believe that you can, or should take away all guns?

No, I was addressing the other 50% of the posters.

As I previously posted, people are comparing apples to pears. The mantra continues to be more gun control and those who question more gun control are not looking for solutions.

Do you really think I am suggesting JUST more gun controls?

Other than you, show posts of people making suggestions (other than taking away cars)

Given all of the information coming out about the murderer of these children, if he was FLAGGED for mental health issues in the FBI database as he should have been, he would not have passed the background check that the FBI approved. He would therefore not have been able to purchase the two rifles legally.

This is one example of system failure. How about fixing what is broke and then determine what is needed to close identified gaps?

ANYTHING that is broken, should be fixed, I completely agree. If he should not have been able to obtain 2 AR15s, then the person who enabled that should be charged with assessor to premeditated murder. In fact ANYONE illegally selling a weapon that is used to commit any murder should be charged. This should also include ANYONE that sells a gun. Gun shows, private sales, and any black market sales. If the source of a gun used in a murder can be determined, and if that sale was "illegal" then the persons selling the gun should be charged.

Thank you that is actually a suggestion that we CAN do. Wanna bet we will be told why it won/t work instead of joining in to get it done?

Please provide proof "that it is easier to get a gun in many states" than a drivers license.

First please show where it is illegal to fire a firearm while intoxicated. It IS illegal to drive while intoxicated. It is illegal to drive faster than the posted speed limit, show laws limiting how fast you can fire your weapon, or where. Try driving on the court house lawn? You will be towed, try walk onto the Capital steps, and waving your guns, you will be applauded. I think you get the point.

Let's take the one that pertains to this thread - Texas: How to Apply for a Texas Driver License | Department of Public Safety

To get a Drivers license:

The Department issues driver licenses valid for up to eight years to Texas residents 18 years of age and older. The Texas Driver’s Handbook is available online to help you qualify for a Texas driver license. You will need to provide proof of the following to apply for a driver license:

* U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence
* Texas Residency
* Identity, and
* Social Security Number
* Evidence of Texas Vehicle Registration* for each vehicle you own. Registration must be current. Visit Texas DMV vehicle registration for more information (New Residents who are surrendering an out-of-state driver license only)
* Proof of Insurance* for each vehicle you own
* If you do not own a vehicle, you will sign a statement affirming this.

Additionally, you will need to provide evidence of completion of:

* Impact Texas Driver (ITD) if you will be taking a driving test for the issuance of your driver license**
* A six-hour adult Driver Education course, if you are 18 through 24 years of age (Does not apply to new residents who are 18 years of age or older and surrendering a valid, unexpired out-of-state driver license)
* Once you have gathered the necessary documents and completed the required courses, you will need to do the following:

* Complete the driver license application before arriving at your local office (This form is also available at all driver license offices).
* Make an appointment at a driver license office.
* Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
* Application for the issuance of a driver license
* U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence
* Identity, and
* Social Security Number
* Provide your signature for DL or ID.
* Provide your thumbprints.
* Have your picture taken.
* Pay the application fee.
* Pass the vision exam.
* Take and pass the knowledge and driving tests. You may complete the testing requirements at the DL office by scheduling an appointment online or through a Third Party provider. Read about testing in other languages and driving test requirements.

Now, what are the requirements to buy a gun in Texas? Buying - Gun Laws - Guides at Texas State Law Library

I won't copy it here, because almost all that is there are links to explain who CAN NOT purchase a gun (felons, etc) but the only topic listing a requirement is AGE. One Retirement - AGE. Nothing about things you have to do - testing, training, demonstrating competence, etc etc etc. (they left off affording it)

Compare the two. Obviously, Texas is very afraid of people driving on their streets, but if you want to kill children - no so hard. If you want, you can eliminate any duplicates from the two lists (US Citizenship, Texas resident, etc.) Drivers license still wins by a mile.

As I have said multiple times before, if you want to make progress then focus on the why and try and fix it. The problem with looking at the why is that it is not going to change anything in the short term. When the "quick fixes" ultimately don't work, how many of those people who proposed/supported them will be willing to look into the eyes of survivors of future mass killings and explain how their promised fixes didn't work?

I absolutely agree we should focus on "WHY" and solve that. Much of my career was as a consulting Systems Analysts. The WHY question was always the second thing I did. First the company wanted me to stop the bleeding (so to speak) - mitigate the problem, so they could get back to making money while I took the time to identify the actual problem.

But, I don't know about any one else, but I can walk and chew gum at the same time. So, why not implement mitigation techniques while we try to determine the WHY so we can solve it. Why not look for low hanging fruit that we can all agree on and implement while the brainiacs look for how to solve societies cultural issues. And yes, but is SOMETHING is broken in the US, since this is a uniquely US problem.