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Originally Posted by MartinSE
Sorry
You left out my saying in my post that you were retired to provide ID, etc. In other words sates define who CAN NOT buy a gun, but many place no requirements other than things that mean you are NOT being allowed.
My post referenced Texas requirements for gun purchase as an example of one of the many you requested. And you left out/ignored the numerous testing, training and demonstrations of competency I listed, which does show it is much "harder" to get a gun than a drivers license, which is exactly what you asked for and then ignored.
As to proving many states, I used a state which is pertinent to THIS conversation as an example - Texas, I will leave it up to you to find the others that have more requirements.
Hint: I don't know of a single state that doesn't require some testing to obtain a drivers license - competency, vision, etc. - I know some states that require competency testing to buy a gun, but I don't think all do. All states require some kind of testing to prove driving knowledge (some will accept other states license as proof). So, I feel safe in suggesting it will not be hard to find that proof. I often get PMs complaining about too many references/links and too long posts. So, have fun, and if you go to the trouble to check all states and find no others or even fewer than half, I would be very interested. (But I am sure that will not happen).
I agree root cause is vital and in complex situations can take a long time to determine.
Many of the companies I worked for has issues with production lines that would cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to shut down and so that was NOT an option unless lives were at risk. It is possible to find and implement temporary "work arounds" or patches on live systems.
Are you suggesting we do nothing and just accept the death toll that is growing almost weekly for the past twenty years until we can determine with some level of certainty the root cause? I hope not.
And let me close this post bye saying thank you for the civil discourse and pertinent comments and questions. If more would do this we could make progress. It is possible, and you sir are proof.
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Actually I did not leave out your quote, I missed it-big difference. If you normalize the two, then the difference between the two is as you indicated, one does have testing requirements (DL) and that purchasing a gun does not require training or testing.
However, your statement: "Compare the two. Obviously, Texas is very afraid of people driving on their streets, but if you want to kill children - no so hard". is inflammatory and does nothing to help move the needle forward. Is it a good idea to own a firearm and not get some sort of training? No, as tragic accidents can and do happen.
Do you think these monsters care If a training requirement is an impediment to acquiring a gun
legally? They have already decided to break the law, so what is to prevent them from acquiring a gun illegally?