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Old 05-28-2022, 08:05 AM
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It would help if you took your own advice. See, you left out a little detail. The tank (M1's are not for sale) must be neutered and make street legal first. Meaning no weapon systems, barrel concreted, and all tactical equipment removed.

So, I will go with that, you are okay with the government requiring the tank be neutered, so you would not mind if they require all guns to be disabled and cripple. Barrels filled.

I know (you have said multiple times) tight you are MUCH smarter than the rest of us. If so, try finding the truth, and not just enough of the truth to support your own misconceptions, the the rest of the story.

Oh, and I will save you the trouble of replying that I didn't say I wanted to it work, I just said I wanted to own it.

Well, I said I wanted it so I would be equally armed as the governments military, since the argument I was responding to was that the 2nd was there to allow us to take back our government from rogue actors. Kind of hard to take back the government with AR15s (toys) and M1 Tanks that are crippled (can't even use it with tracks - so no off road fighting - I am sure the rogue government will help by only fighting on paved hiways.

I guess I could drive it around and run over bad guys... but then it isn't really a gun is it.

As to the fully automatic weapon -

For example, a private citizen can lawfully own a machine gun only if:

* the possessor isn’t a “prohibited person,”
* the full-auto machine gun was made before 1986, and
* their relevant state law does not ban that the firearm (whether banning machine guns outright or any firearm with certain features).

"For example, someone can lawfully possess a machine gun made this morning if it is in connection with their duties as a government or law enforcement official, or if they have their Federal Firearms License (FFL) and have either made or possess the machine gun for possible sale to government/law enforcement personnel."

In 1934, the National Firearms Act (NFA) was passed which restricted machine gun possession, among other types of firearms.

Remember, though, if you want to possess these modern machine guns, you must be a government employee possessing the machine gun in connection with your official duties OR you must get your Federal Firearms License (FFL) and become an SOT.

As an FFL, you must also pay a special yearly tax to become a Special Occupational Taxpayer (SOT) – this allows you to purchase and sell NFA firearms (including machine guns) without paying a tax per item/transaction.

The machine guns can be banned outright based on function (because they are machine guns) or they can be banned/partially-banned based on features.

And a summary:

How to Purchase a Machine Gun as an Individual:

* Confirm that they are lawful to possess in your state

* Find a currently registered machine gun made before 1986 either at a gun shop or a private individual. You can search locally or online (but out-of-state online sales of all firearms must go to your local gun shop).

* Purchase the machine gun as an individual or through a trust – but, no, you can’t take it home yet! Trusts were popular to avoid certain requirements (fingerprints, law enforcement approval, etc.) but ATF changed the rules last year. Previously, your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) approval was required, but the ATF changed the rules last year to only require notification. Also, members of a trust could obtain new NFA firearms without fingerprints/photos but now every lawful possessor is required to submit them each time. These rule changes removed much of the reason to get a trust.

* Fill out an ATF Form 4 application to transfer an NFA firearm. This application will include a $200 check for your tax, your fingerprints, a passport-style photograph, and information about you and the firearm.

* Wait 9-12 months for the ATF to approve and return your paperwork.

* Take your machine-gun home and enjoy!

Since you are okay with those restrictions, I suggest we let them apply to ALL guns. How about that.

And you of course left out cruise missiles and F35 fighters. Which I would be facing when trying to take back my country. So, cherry picking, doesn't work.

My point stands.

I answered your question and you preferred to be facetious. Ok.

I knew an old Gunny in the Marines that once said to us, "don't come complaining to me about a problem unless you also have a solution." Of course, when I say "old" he was probably in his 30's or 40's...
Bad people are the problem and good people are the solution.
Guns are not the problem, only the weapon of choice for the bad people. Guns are also the possible choice of good people as a solution to bad people using a gun to perpetrate bad things. If you don't like guns (not you specifically) then solve the people problem before they resort to acting on their malicious intent.