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Originally Posted by BBQMan
This country has seen far too many cases of open dishonesty on the part of lawyers with little or no consequences. This particularly applies in class-action lawsuits. Perhaps the best example of this is the silicone breast implant scam. There was no correlation ever shown between these implants and connective tissue disease. Actually, the leading medical experts from Mayo, Johns Hopkins and Harvard went on record saying these implants were safe. There was a crusade by some women to have them banned. The FDA cooperated and ordered them pulled from the market. Most nations around the globe listened to the experts rather than to lawyers and the product remained on the market around the globe. Indeed, now, after the damage is done, the FDA has very quietly reversed its position. However, the lawyers have made quite literally billions of dollars, two companies were driven to bankruptcy and several others significantly damaged, jobs and pensions wiped out, communities destroyed, etc. All this so that the lawyers could make a lot of money and to hell with the damages done.
We are still seeing lawyers sue for tobacco caused illness, even after the 'settlement.' These lawyers stand up with a straight face and lie - "My client did not know that cigarettes could cut short his life." Witnesses are not allowed to perjure themselves, but lawyer’s lying is accepted as a part of ‘representing their client.’ Is there anyone on this board who did not know, many years ago, that smoking kills?
When found out and prosecuted, and that rarely happens, penalties are absurdly lenient. Melvin Weiss of the firm Milberg Weiss got 30 months in a Federal ‘country club’ prison for defrauding the courts in several shareholder administration lawsuits. This was for one case – in which the court determined that he made 9.8 million illegitimately in only one of his many cases. The firm had made billions as the dominant firm in shareholder litigation. His partner in all this, In congressional testimony William Lerach, pled guilty and further said this systemic dishonesty is an ‘industry practice,’ as Mr. Lerach himself stated, this dishonest practice a clear and present threat to our economy is going unaddressed by Congress.” That is not surprising given that Congress is for the most part made up of lawyers and the bar is the largest contributor to Democrats.
I can go on and on, (lock up Dickie Scruggs on the net) but the problem is reasonably clear:
1. We have for too many lawyers in this country. For most of us the only reason to hire a lawyer is to protect yourself from another lawyer Lawyers are, in academic terms, parasites. They do not add to the net worth of the country, but only facilitate the transfer of wealth from one individual to another, or company-to-company. They produce nothing, they do not provide any essential services and they lay a heavy tax on those of us who do those things.
2. We need to reduce the number of lawyers in his economy. Having accepted the truth that lawyers are economic parasites, we need to reduce the number of them.
a. First, we need to reduce the numbers of lawyers entering our society. This will require closing of every state law school and the revocation of GI bill support for education to become a lawyer.
b. We need to reinvest the monies saved in professions that we need – such as engineering, nursing and education of physicians.
3. We need to minimize the incentives for lying.
a. Law firms may represent clients in one and only one state. Firms trying to represent the entire US from locations such as Mississippi and Wyoming must be eliminated. (See the 10th amendment)
b. Penalties for misrepresentation to the court in a civil suit must be a minimum of ten years and a maximum of life in a high security prison.
c. As others have suggested, loser pays, including the lawyer the law firm and all partners representing the loser, must be made to happen. This must include all assets: including those in the spouse or children’s names. We’ve all seen the ads for law firms saying that they will collect everything including college trust funds. Let us know apply that requirement to attorneys who represent an illegitimate claim.
Is this enough to put the US legal system back on track? I suspect not. As long as firms can advertise, “Birth defect, you will collect – no one needs to be at fault. ” This advertisement meets ABA standards – what more need I say. The ABA believes that misrepresenting facts in a civil trial is perfectly fine.
Just my HO
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As one of those you consider "parasites," I hope you never find yourself arrested, sued, harmed, swindled, slandered, the subject of a government investigation or the like.
The last time I checked, it was the plaintiff who claimed the harm, not the lawyer. Blaming the lawyer for the lawsuit is like blaming the gun for shooting a person, or a car for someone driving drunk. Yes, if lawyers weren't there, there would be fewer suits, but you would have houses filled with asbestos, Thalidomide cases covered up, more cars designed like Ford Pintos, Agent Orange and the like under the rug, no Miranda rights, searches without warrants, no civil rights, the government always "right" and a whole lot of other things, only because there would be no one capable of taking on the complaint on behalf of the person.
Its really easy to view the world from one direction, and that's what most people do, as their perspective is the
only true one. A good lawyer has to view it from at least four - the client's perspective, the other party's perspective, somewhere in between both, what the law specifically says is or isn't allowed, and possibly a fifth that hasn't been obvious to those subjectively involved. The truth is absolute, but no single perspective ever provides it.
Lawyers do not judge their clients - they advocate the client's position. The ethical rules in every jurisdiction are the same - if a lawyer permits or engages in pejrury, the lawyer becomes an accomplice to fraud upon the court, or worse. Attorney-client privilege forbids an lawyer from disclosing any client's secrets, but does not allow the lawyer to instigate or continue a fraud, perjury or other criminal behavior. I've withdrawn several times from cases - during a hearing - because the client insisted on lying to the court, and the lawyers I know do this routinely. Clients lie, and when caught in it, the good attorney - and there's a lot of them - drop the client.
Are there lawyers who break the law? Sure there are. In the two jurisdictions I'm licensed in, there's a total of over 300,000 bar members, but less than 10% have ever represented a client in court. With numbers that large, even if 99.5% are persons of honor, that still leaves 1,500 to worry about. Is that any different than any other profession? The bad apples always get the publicity. Accusing all lawyers of being another Melvin Weiss is like accusing all physicians of being another Ana Alvarez-Jacinto (see
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/fls/PressR...081218-01.html ).
Hate us lawyers if you want. I'm proud of the profession and the freedoms it protects. Once the lawyers are gone, the freedoms go with them - as everywhere on this planet have found, because the lawyers are the first ones the dictators and despots go after.