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Old 07-27-2022, 10:10 AM
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Yes, Australia did in fact disarm their citizens by taking away their arms by decree and force of law. Disarming its citizens to a certain point is disarming nonetheless.

Australias gun law (NFA) went into affect in 1996 after the Port Arthur massacre. The US and Australia both define a mass shooting as 5 or more dead or injured. Since 1997, Australia has 17 mass killing events. Your claim of zero is false.

What you wish for is not a solution at all. Removing all semi-automatic rifles will not stop mass killings. Your proposal is to punish law abiding citizens while ignoring those with evil in their heart. Your proposal does not affect the bad guy but adversely affects the good guy. One man with a semi-automatic pistol stopped a mass shooter at the mall in Indiana. When the average response time for law enforcement is 10 minutes, can we estimate how many people would have died that day waiting for the Police? Jonathan Sapirman exited the mens bathroom and began shooting people in the food court. It took 15 seconds for a good citizen with a handgun to stop that threat. Sapirman killed 3 people and injured 2 while firing 24 rounds. When he was killed he had over 100 rounds on him. If Elisha Dicken had not killed Sapirman so quickly we can deduce that with the first magazine there were 5 casualties. He still had four more magazines. There would have likely been 20 more casualties and at the same rate in stead of 3 dead and 2 injured, the total would have been 15 dead and 10 injured. We can safely credit Dicken with saving 12 lives or more.

At this point I have to assume you did not go to any of the links I previously provided including the two videos. The two solutions I have proposed would virtually eliminate school mass shootings.

I agree with you that mass shootings will likely increase. That is because our Federal, State and Local governments have created the conditions. Along with the media, they have created the motive. Notoriety. This is a real world video game and these young men are vying for the high score. To stop mass shootings/killings we have to remove the motive. Their name should not be known. We have to stop glorifying these killings by adding another name to the list of famous killers. The lockdowns forced kids to stay home for nearly two years. What did they do for boredom and inability to be with their peers and to touch their peers?

Perhaps we need copy cat good samaritans? Millions of law abiding responsible gun owning Americans armed and trained to stop the bad guy in 15 seconds.
I just read that Sapirman carried an AR-15-type rifle, which substantiates my opinion that those are the weapons of choice for US mass murderers. He probably would have killed more if he had chosen an elevated position and somewhere that offered protection from fire from citizens with pistols. I agree that the person that had a license to carry was INDEED a hero.
.........My conclusion is that it is great to have an armed hero available in this situation. But, what would cause fewer mass murders MORE armed heroes or LESS availability of semi-auto rifles in the hands of the demented mass killers? I would prefer the solution to be FEWER semi-auto rifles sold in the American market. In my opinion, MORE armed heroes is the weaker solution. It is like on the world stage........we all want FEWER countries to be nuclear-armed, not more.
........Allowing open carry in ALL states IMO would be good ONLY for the gun makers and terrible for society's safety. Even the Police are basically against that.
........And I agree that there are bad psychological ramifications for both children and adults (speeding and dangerous driving seem to have increased)....from the Pandemic which has killed one million US citizens and is still killing them.....just at a lower rate.