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Originally Posted by JMintzer
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Do you even read the links you provide? I pointed out, I thought clearly, that the reason for the change in total deaths moving toward a higher percentage of those deaths being in those vaccinated was because a high percentage of all Americans are vaccinated. And further that the risk of death remains much higher in those who have refused vaccines. Risk of death is how many die in a matched set of say 1000 vaccinated vs 1000 unvaccinated.
You continue to suggest that the vaccines do not work and the data, including the link you posted say exactly the opposite of what you are presenting to the readers of this forum. You are spreading misinformation and putting lives at risk.
From the WebMD link:
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Research continues to show that people who are vaccinated or boosted have a lower risk of death. The rise in deaths among the vaccinated is the result of three factors, Cox said. They are:
A large majority of people in the U.S. have been vaccinated (267 million people in the U.S., the CDC says).
People who are at the greatest risk of dying from COVID-19 are more likely to be vaccinated and boosted, such as the elderly.
Vaccines lose their effectiveness over time; the virus changes to avoid vaccines; and people need to choose to get boosters to continue to be protected.
The case for the effectiveness of vaccines and boosters versus skipping the shots remains strong.
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From the Guardian link which you used to attempt to show that deaths are being attributed to Covid when it was a trivial comorbidity... That article said nothing about that issue, rather it reported a coding error where if a box was checked reporting a date of death the software was ignoring another box that said the death was not related to Covid. This software error was caught and fixed and the numbers were revised. By the way, the error originally occurred at the state or county level when the forms were filled in. The form first asked was the death related to covid. Then the date of death was to be filled in only if YES to the first question. If someone put a date of death when the cause was not Covid the initial software guessed that the yes/no had been answered wrong. They then removed all the deaths when the "caused by Covid" was NO but a date was entered.
This in fact may have resulted in an undercount as certainly some of the forms had the error of checking the wrong yes/no box. Thus when all is said and done, the CDC undercounted Covid deaths in these mismatched forms.
I closely read the CDC reports and can promise you that the CDC never said what you claim it said that "ANY death where there was a positive covid test was considered a covid death"
If you actually care about how the CDC wanted death certificates to be filled in to allow for collection of accurate data you can read the webinar done in April 2020 when Covid was just beginning. It is very clear they only want Covid listed if it is the cause of death.
https://emergency.cdc.gov/coca/ppt/2...transcript.pdf
While it is possible that some individual funeral homes or coroners did not follow CDC guidelines, that works both ways. Including there being individuals who would not list Covid on forms.
County coroner in Missouri says he omits Covid-19 from some death certificates
or from this story:
COVID-19 deaths obscured by inaccurate death certificates
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In Cape Girardeau County, Missouri, coroner Wavis Jordan said his office “doesn’t do COVID deaths.” Jordan does not investigate deaths himself. He requires families to provide proof of a positive coronavirus test before including it on a death certificate.
In 2021, he hasn’t pronounced a single person dead from COVID-19 in the 80,000-person county.
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