[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

Agree that abandonment of all standards everywhere is erosion of a culture (ours) and not adding quality to our nation. Remember when "nice" restaurants REQUIRED conservative dress ? Remember back in the 70's (wow, a long time ago) when passengers were not only expected, but required to dress in a "semi" formal manner on cruises ? Remember when there were minimum standards for BOTH students and teachers in public schools ? Suppose I would be looked at as "grumpy", non progressive, old person, but I LIKED having minimum standards everywhere... even those places I just chose to avoid because I didn't want to don the required dress ! I really don't think we are doing our (collective)selves any favors moving in this direction. Having said that I support your opinion, the "up north" part ? Seems "up north" covers a lot of territory. How would one know the person is from "down south" (as we are from, south Florida) ?
My guess, just based on temperature, would be those from our former location in south Florida would be MORE inclined to minimum clothing, and those from "up north", MORE inclined to wear clothing with sleeves, collars, etc. etc. Just on opinion !

Great post!