Originally Posted by billethkid

the issue posted never gets addressed and the responses degenerate to to the individual/personal level.....NEVER COMING CLOSE TO THE OBJECTIVE OF THE THREAD.

How about putting the issue first? Party and individual set aside. Why not.

Interesting quote from John Adama:

Our first two presidents, George Washington and John Adams, both adamantly opposed the development of political parties. As early as 1780, seven years before the Constitutional Convention first met, Adams declared, “There is nothing I dread so much as a division of the Republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader and converting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.” Despite such trepidation, the Founding Fathers wrote nothing about political parties in the Constitution.

How right they were way back then. Given the time lapse with no progress it is unfortunately hopeless.

btk