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Originally Posted by Cybersprings

I compiled a list of lies spouted (intentionally or out of ignorance) by certain individuals in this short thread for anyone who is following:
1. AK rifles “are for obliterating an enemy in war.” (Only single-fire AK’s are legal to possess. No army would intentionally go to war with single-fire weapons if they had a choice. AK’s used in war are 3-shot burst and automatic capable.)
2. The 2nd amendment was intended to apply to people in a well-regulated militia, “not free for all of all weapons by anybody who wants one.” And The 2nd Amendment is about a well regulated militia and not the right of private citizens to have weapons designed for warfare.
3. The NRA was “historically about gun control.” “William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis." Since then, the NRA has been the premier firearms education organization in the world. “ “A description of the background and development of the NRA notes NRA support for moderate measures of gun control in the 1950's and the 1960's; however, in the 1970's, the NRA began to notice that legislation which it had earlier supported had failed to curb crime or impair criminal access to firearms, while it was adversely affecting the firearms freedoms of the law-abiding citizen.”
4. “The Founding Fathers had read a lot of English history and did not want private armies around that would march on Parliament.” The founding fathers had just fought a war against tyranny and wanted the people to have the power to prevent that from re-occurring. They also wanted to preclude a standing national army, so the people would be allowed to own weapons of war in order to fight when necessary. The thought of having to spell out the right of people to own weapons to protect themselves would have been ridiculous to them. They would be mortified that we actually have to fight for the right to protect ourselves today.
5. “No one is suggesting banning of all guns. That is a straw man argument.” Quite a few people are suggesting that, and many are suggesting banning all but 22s so that no one can accuse them of suggesting the banning of all guns.
6. Florida is banning books and dictating what Disney can and cannot say. Not one book has been banned. Certain books are not allowed in school libraries (just like many books and magazines have never been allowed in school libraries). Disney is allowed to say what they want and when they want. But if you are going to attack the state government and spout lies about it, then do not expect to keep the extra special treatment you have received for decades.
7. “Assault weapons are generally high-powered semiautomatic firearms where each round has up to four times the muzzle velocity of a handgun round. This means that each round from an assault weapon inflicts greater damage to the human body than a round from a typical handgun. Assault weapons are generally designed to fire rounds at a greater rate than other firearms, and when combined with high-capacity magazines, they enable a shooter to fire more rounds over a short period.”
a. AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag. The standard AR-15 bullet carries kinetic energy of 1300 foot pounds; a typical hunting rifle bullet has between 2600 and 4000 foot pounds
b. Any rifle has a higher muzzle velocity than almost any handgun round. The longer the barrel the more time the expanding gases have to push against the bullet increasing its speed. The AR15 and AK do not have higher muzzle velocities than typical hunting rifles.
c. A magazine takes a couple of seconds at most to change. So higher capacity magazines are not the problem.
8. “We are talking about weapons used today in the Ukraine-Russian war not about Agincourt. These are assault weapons and many other kinds.” The weapons generally used in Ukraine or any other war are not the same as AR and LEGAL AK rifles. Knives are used in war. Does that make knives weapons of war? Or only high-powered knives?
9. “We live in Florida with open carry” No explanation required.
10. “How about banning books and doing away with the teaching of true, factual history! Feels like going down a slippery slope, like Germany in the 1930's”. Again, no books banned and no doing away with teaching of true, factual history.
11. "Not allowed in public schools" usually means also in public school libraries. Which means a book ban. No. You do not get to redefine terms. Not allowed in public schools means not allowed (or we can allow banned) in public schools which includes the library. Book banning means you do not have the right to purchase or own the book, you know, kind of like what you are trying to do with guns. Objecting to playboy not being allowed in schools are you, because it reminds you of Nazi Germany????

You make a lot of assertions with little evidence for them.