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Originally Posted by ithos
I should have cited references of which there are so many but an article from Stanford Med should suffice.
During four years of medical school, most students spend fewer than 20 hours on nutrition. That’s completely disproportionate to its health benefits for patients.
Why Medical Schools Need to Focus More on Nutrition | School of Medicine | Stanford Medicine.
And medical professional opinions can vary greatly depending on the subject just like in politics. So as a layman I listen to all sides. I referenced Dr Kahn and listen to most of his podcasts as he goes to great lengths to provide supporting information. So if you can poke holes in his arguments then I will keep an open mind.
I do believe that people who are raised on a whole food plant based and exercise regularly probably never need a routine checkup. But there very few of those.
Other Doctors whose advice I have great respect for are Alan Goldhamer, Joel Fuhrman, Garth Davis, Michael Greger, George Guthrie, T Colin Campbell, Neal Bernard and Caldwell Esselstyn. |
I'm not sure how this thread went from the OP looking to have unnecessary testing performed to a diatribe on nutrition, but OK, let's play:
You state Dr. Joel Kahn is your "go to" guy? well, here's a headline from the journal "Science based Medicine":
“Holistic cardiologist” Dr. Joel Kahn is amplifying misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19 vaccines and VAERS
Dr. Joel Kahn is a “holistic cardiologist.” There was a time when he seemed to me at least semi-reasonable, but recently he has been peddling COVID-19 conspiracy theories and antivaccine misinformation, particularly misrepresentation of reports to the VAERS database, which makes this a good time for an update about how antivaxxers are weaponizing VAERS for propaganda purposes."
This "so-called" doctor has a series of books similar to the other quack, Dr. Oz who promotes power food groups and some other nonsense.
And as if he didn't make enough money from selling his garbage, here another headline from the Detroit free press:
"Three doctors named last week in Beaumont Health's $84.5-million settlement with the U.S. Justice Department insist they did nothing wrong and have hired an attorney to defend their reputations.
The trio —
Dr. Joel Kahn, Dr. Dinesh Shah and Dr. Renato Ramos — were among the eight Beaumont doctors identified in the settlement agreement as having enjoyed improper pay arrangements with the hospital system and other perks in potential violation of federal laws."
Then we have that wonderful article and assessment from Stanford Med, "which should suffice"---NOT
Stanford, CALIFORNIA medical community supports avocados, fruits and nuts---gee, what a surprise. Didn't see anything of the sort in the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE. And they state "That’s completely disproportionate to its health benefits for patients."---now, talk about an OPINION rather than FACT. Wow, just Wow. Maybe they could quantify those "health benefits" and do a double blinded placebo controlled multi-centered prospective study and prove their case----but don't hold your breath, it will never happen.
So much for "poking holes" at "Dr." Kahn-----he just took a torpedo broadside.
Next on your list:
Dr. Alan Goldhamer is the founder of TrueNorth Health Center---except he is NOT a doctor, he is a chiropractor, also selling books and whatnot
Dr. Joel Fuhrman: His practice is based on his nutrition-based approach to obesity and chronic disease, as well as
promoting his products and books He is a self proclaimed naturopath and alternative medicine practitioner (= QUACK)
Garth Philip Davis is an American bariatric surgeon, physician and author. Davis specializes in weight management and is known for his advocacy of
plant-based nutrition. Yep, plant based nutrition---Res ipsa loquitur
I'm sorry I didn't finish reviewing that entire list of charlatans, scam artists and quacks, but it was starting to turn my stomach
I'm also sorry if I disillusioned you about those "doctors" that you "have great respect" for, but you asked.
Bottom line: If you see the word holistic, alternative, naturopath or nutritionist or any combination of the above, please RUN in the opposite direction as fast as possible. I can 99.9% guarantee that they are selling something---a book, a proprietary diet, a weight loss clinic and may, and this is a big red flag, have their name on their building---or worse yet, a TV show, a radio show, or a podcast.