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Originally Posted by golfing eagles
I'm not sure how this thread went from the OP looking to have unnecessary testing performed to a diatribe on nutrition, but OK, let's play:
You state Dr. Joel Kahn is your "go to" guy? well, here's a headline from the journal "Science based Medicine":
“Holistic cardiologist” Dr. Joel Kahn is amplifying misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19 vaccines and VAERS
Dr. Joel Kahn is a “holistic cardiologist.” There was a time when he seemed to me at least semi-reasonable, but recently he has been peddling COVID-19 conspiracy theories and antivaccine misinformation, particularly misrepresentation of reports to the VAERS database, which makes this a good time for an update about how antivaxxers are weaponizing VAERS for propaganda purposes."
This "so-called" doctor has a series of books similar to the other quack, Dr. Oz who promotes power food groups and some other nonsense.
And as if he didn't make enough money from selling his garbage, here another headline from the Detroit free press:
"Three doctors named last week in Beaumont Health's $84.5-million settlement with the U.S. Justice Department insist they did nothing wrong and have hired an attorney to defend their reputations.
The trio — Dr. Joel Kahn, Dr. Dinesh Shah and Dr. Renato Ramos — were among the eight Beaumont doctors identified in the settlement agreement as having enjoyed improper pay arrangements with the hospital system and other perks in potential violation of federal laws."
Then we have that wonderful article and assessment from Stanford Med, "which should suffice"---NOT
Stanford, CALIFORNIA medical community supports avocados, fruits and nuts---gee, what a surprise. Didn't see anything of the sort in the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE. And they state "That’s completely disproportionate to its health benefits for patients."---now, talk about an OPINION rather than FACT. Wow, just Wow. Maybe they could quantify those "health benefits" and do a double blinded placebo controlled multi-centered prospective study and prove their case----but don't hold your breath, it will never happen.
So much for "poking holes" at "Dr." Kahn-----he just took a torpedo broadside.
Next on your list:
Dr. Alan Goldhamer is the founder of TrueNorth Health Center---except he is NOT a doctor, he is a chiropractor, also selling books and whatnot
Dr. Joel Fuhrman: His practice is based on his nutrition-based approach to obesity and chronic disease, as well as promoting his products and books He is a self proclaimed naturopath and alternative medicine practitioner (= QUACK)
Garth Philip Davis is an American bariatric surgeon, physician and author. Davis specializes in weight management and is known for his advocacy of plant-based nutrition. Yep, plant based nutrition---Res ipsa loquitur
I'm sorry I didn't finish reviewing that entire list of charlatans, scam artists and quacks, but it was starting to turn my stomach
I'm also sorry if I disillusioned you about those "doctors" that you "have great respect" for, but you asked.
Bottom line: If you see the word holistic, alternative, naturopath or nutritionist or any combination of the above, please RUN in the opposite direction as fast as possible. I can 99.9% guarantee that they are selling something---a book, a proprietary diet, a weight loss clinic and may, and this is a big red flag, have their name on their building---or worse yet, a TV show, a radio show, or a podcast.
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Thank you for the reply. I left out Dean Ornish who runs a program to reverse heart disease that can be reimbursed by Medicare. It may still be the only one.
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has determined that the Ornish Program for Reversing Heart Disease meets the intensive cardiac rehabilitation (ICR) program requirements set forth by Congress in §1861(eee)(4)(A) of the Social Security Act and in our regulations at 42 C.F.R. §410.49(c) and, as such, has been included on the list of approved ICR programs available at Medicare Approved Facilities/Trials/Registries | CMS.
NCA - Intensive Cardiac Rehabilitation (ICR) Program - Dr. Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease (CAG-00419N) - Decision Memo
Is he a quack?
What about Dr Esselstyn of the Cleveland Clinic, rated as number one hospital for heart disease. He has a program to reverse heart disease. Is he a quack?
Best Hospitals for Cardiology & Heart Surgery
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The Esselstyn Heart Disease Program | Cleveland Clinic
And for Dr Kahn there are always more than one side to a story
3 Beaumont doctors claim innocence over $84.5M settlement
The whistleblowers identified numerous Beaumont doctors and administrators. Yet none of the three doctors were accused of wrongdoing in the whistleblowers' lawsuits against Beaumont, which were unsealed last week.
And he still has his license. So you haven't proved anything on a medical basis. As far as being critical of the Covid Vax, there are so many prominent health professionals on both sides of the argument, that you could write a book on. Not going to settle that on TOV. The major point is that he cites all references for his recommendations so that people can decide for themselves. In my layman's opinion he doesn't have the winning argument on everything.
As far as nutrition education in medical school, chew on this:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hs...ion-education/
“Today, most medical schools in the United States teach less than 25 hours of nutrition over four years. The fact that less than 20 percent of medical schools have a single required course in nutrition, it’s a scandal. It’s outrageous. It’s obscene,” Eisenberg told NewsHour.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...171-8/fulltext
Our analysis of these studies showed that nutrition is insufficiently incorporated into medical education, regardless of country, setting, or year of medical education. Deficits in nutrition education affect students' knowledge, skills, and confidence to implement nutrition care into patient care.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-po...ine-nutrition/
Why Doctors Aren’t Taught Much About Nutrition
And I could cite many more.
Can you cite a reputable publication that says nutrition is covered adequately in Med School?
And True North has been around for decades and claim some very positive results with their program for people who have not had good results with conventional medicine. And yes, I believe their water fasting program is very effective for many medical issues including addiction. If they were not successful then they would have been sued out of business or had their state license revoked.
And I would be most interested if you have any dirt on Dr Greger of
https://nutritionfacts.org/ other than he once worked for "Patch" Adams.
Dr. Michael Greger | How Not To Die | Talks at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNY7xKyGCQ