[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

The most obvious point of this entire discussion is that there is one side that knows the facts and another side that merely seems to know that the "consensus" exists. Everyone here will draw their own conclusions -- the same ones they came to the discussion with.

And we will all ignore the real issue -- if human progress beyond our normal state of existence (dire poverty under the heel of some tyrant) causes "climate change", then the only solution is return to the dark ages, and thereby dial down the population by about 7 billion human beings. And that is exactly the prescription ordered by what passes for "science" when politics becomes involved. Windmills and solar cells. If you do the math, you will discover that simply replacing the current US energy demands with "green energy" would require bulldozing the entire states of Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico to turn them into energy farms. Which is absurd.

Therefore, unless we're willing to sacrifice billions of lives to dial back our energy use, we're just going to have to deal with it. A warmer, greener planet is obviously better for 8 billion humans than the colder, undeveloped planet we had before.

But it sure would be nice if we could talk about how best to deal with whatever changes may be coming (if they actually are), without trying to using it for political gain.

Unfortunately, not going to happen. Not with $100 TRILLION at stake and not while the dark side appears to be winning. Although it is a misquote, perhaps their ignorance IS bliss