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I have never gotten any relief from a medical doctor when I threw my back out despite them merely throwing muscle relaxants or pain pills at it.
Excellent---a scientific study of ONE. Maybe you could publish that in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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Never claimed it to be a scientific study, but it has happened so many time with so many different doctors over the years ( I have lived in so many places and traveled extensively for work) that it is clearly not an isolated incident. With each and every "medical professional" I received no relief and suffered for a couple of weeks. For the vast majority of chiroporactors, I have gotten instant relief and better in a couple of days. But please tell me, what you (the all-knowledgable one) would have done differently other than prescribe ice and/or heat or the same prescriptions. I would really love to know.
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The rest of us will seek the appropriate professional for the injury or illness we face.
Hopefully you are not the spokesperson for "the rest of us". I would hope "the rest of us" have the good judgement to first see a qualified professional and not a snake oil salesman.
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I would hope that most people don't suffer for weeks by seeing the true snake oil salesmen when it comes to throwing your back out and will seek the help of a good chiropractor who can actually help them.
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But feel free to keep your arrogance about how great you are.
Again, it's not arrogance when it is a simple fact. As stated above, the Kansas City Chiefs are not "arrogant" when they state they are a better football team than Wildwood HS. Also as stated above, we are not playing the same game in the same league. It's not me personally, the debate is over the qualifications of board certified medical doctors and specialists vs glorified masseuses.
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I know you have bought into your god complex but I haven't. The post was about a $120 new patient charge at a chiropractor before two pompous doctors decided to start trashing chiropractors. On post 51 of the thread, you think you get to decide the debate is about the qualifications of board certified medical doctors????? NO ONE was debating that. If you are able to read, please point me to any prior post that even hinted at that topic.
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The real arrogance is an amateur with very little medical knowledge, thinking they can intelligently debate this subject with 2 experts. I'd hate to be your electrician or plumber or mechanic---debate with them as well?
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1. It sounds like you were the type of doctor that told your patients to shut up you didn't need to hear from them, you were the doctor. We were not debating the best treatement for a recurrent GBM (A topic for another time on how medical experts can and do screw up royally). We were discussing whether or not chiropractors are snake oil salesmen. But of course you are the expert. Please point me to the peer reviewed study backing up your claim. Or please post your extensive study in the area of chiropractic that makes you an expert. Do you think you were born with or were bestowed some magical gene that makes you qualifed to discuss medical topics and that all the other mere mortals are idiots who could not think critically or research extensively.
2. Yes, in fact, I do argue with my plumber. When he installed my water softener backwards, and when he had no idea that I needed or how to give me makeup air because of my installing a vent hood with 1200 cfm blower. See, I can read directions and research topics that matter to me. I am capable of learning and I am not so arrogant to think that others couldn't possibly know as much as me. By the way, the certified plumber didn't know the makeup air was code or why it was code. I don't argue with my electrician because he is awesome and knows his stuff. I don't argue with my mechanic because I don't care to spend the time learning that stuff. Are you claiming that certified mechanics know everything about your car and someone who knows about cars shouldn't argue with them when they get things wrong?
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( I bet no quack chiropractor would ever have thought prescribing that was a good idea).
That's because no state that I know of would ever let chiropractors prescribe pharmaceuticals. OMG, speak of disasters.
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I know right. We will leave the maiming of babies and causing heart issues in otherwise healthy adolescents to the true professionals. They are so good at it, no need to let chiroprators in on that "fun."
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the fact that doctors are the third leading cause of death
Not "a fact" That study was thoroughly debunked. It's a long explanation that I doubt you would understand, but the short version is that study used data, such a medication being administered by a nurse 30 minutes late sometime during a hospital stay as a cause of death. Let's get this straight----the study counted Tylenol, prescribed by a physician, to a terminal cancer patient in the hospital that was given 1/2 hour late 2 weeks prior to death as a "medication error" that resulted in death.
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Hmmm. Two MD's (also known by you as gods not to be questioned by mere mortals) did the study. So, are MD's snake oils salesmen or gods? I am confused. And thoroughly debunked I'm sure means huge amount of negative press to discredit it by those who don't want their reputations stained in the same way that the COVID vaccine was "thoroughly tested." Please provide the real data then. I would be curious on what the real numbers show, since you don't buy into the work of the medical doctors who study these things.
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How many teachers save lives? How many dentists save lives? How many electricians save lives? Are all those professions snake oil salesmen because they don't save as many lives as doctors? Please, Please tell me you put more thought into patient care than you do into logic!!! And adding the multiple ROFL icons. You two are like two little school girls giggling at your poor attempts to bully.
And here is something that doesn't require a study either. The ratio of people killed by doctors to lives saved is exponentially higher than that of chiropractors. I am sure the doctors where doing the bloodletting were just as arrogant about how they know everything too at the time.
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Best advice: Quit while you are behind and cut you losses.
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I am sure you would like for me to quit before you are too embarassed. It really does bother you that everyone doesn't bow down to you while you trash others doesn't it?