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Originally Posted by Haggar
You're right about heat waves. In 1936 5000 people died from heat during the Oklahoma and surrounding area dust storms and heat. Don't see what the temperatures were in 1936.
Sorry If you thought I was directing this at you. It was directed at the posters that have made a definite judgment based upon studies that may or not be valid but seem to have made up their minds that only they are right. It would seem the "weather club" only has presentations that support the one theory. If I am wrong on this please correct me.
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No problem. I don't know anything about the weather club, but from posts on TOTV it seems like it may be one sided.
I've been quite vocal about this topic, but my point has always been that we just don't know.
We do know that we are in a 4 1/2-million-year-old ice age marked by cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws of about 100,000 years. We do know that our current geological era is one of the, if not the coolest in the history of the Earth. We do know that these cycles have been repeating themselves many times, driven by the power of the sun, and changes in Earth's orbit around the sun and Earth's axis---all without the aid of human activity.
What we don't know is whether human activity of the past 200 years has put us on a new trajectory that is warming us faster than would have been otherwise without human contribution. And if it is, we don't know to what extent that will manifest itself---trivial or catastrophic.
That being said, there appears to be an agenda at work to not only push the catastrophic possibility, but also to make it appear much more imminent than is actually possible. Somebody quoted Stephen Hawkins as proposing that humans will be extinct in another 77 years. If so, it will be because we blew ourselves up or got wiped out by some super virus, but not because of climate change. It takes thousands of years to change the climate (not the weather).
Whenever there is the possibility of an agenda, there is usually a few people that stand to profit monetarily or politically. Naturally, those people can't wait thousands of years, so they have to push an agenda that basically claims the sky is falling and we have to act now---that act being the expenditure of 131 TRILLION dollars to follow the Paris accords. Now that's what I call a profit motive. A profit motive that hangs climatologists who don't follow the party line into professional suicide, one that blasts us with "heat indices" rather than actual temperatures, one that revamped the methodology of calculating temperature data in 1979, one that blames every little weather quirk into "proof" of their narrative.
The bottom line is that a few years of weather data, or even 150 years going back to the beginning or reasonably accurate records is a drop in the bucket compared to the timeline in question.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.