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Originally Posted by mtdjed
Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
I am merely the messenger. It is NOT a good idea to "shoot the messenger". It is generally better to argue against the MESSAGE. We all seem to be in general agreement that 2023 was the HOTTEST in recorded history........so I can conclude that my work is done here.
IF Only, but somehow I doubt it. That was my thought many of your posts ago. Obviously, I was right
As we all know there is recorded history in rocks, ice cores etc? Shows data allowing experts to date the earth back 4,500,000,000 years. Shows data of multiple ice ages over the years. Shows records of water levels much higher than current levels in between ice ages. Shows long periods of temperature much higher than current period. Many periods of global cooling and global warming. Even before humans. That is reality.
The causes of those changes were exclusive of human influence. Additionally, we have been in a period of global warming for 1000's of years.
Can humans affect the greenhouse gases? Yes. Just by breathing (inhale air at 21% oxygen. 04% CO2)(exhale air 16.4% oxygen, 4.4% CO2) Double the population, double the CO2. But then the plants absorb CO2 and emit Oxygen. But life goes on, the sun rises, people war, people procreate, society advances.
People have migrated since they began to exist. Weather had impacts but is not the sole cause.
Rather than dispute cause and impact on TOTV, why not offer solutions that you have implemented that contribute to a reduction to the problem. The answer is not go electric on everything. Production of electricity is a high consumer of carbon-based fuels.
Have you gone solar for your power needs? Have you reduced your carbon footprint in travel such as Trains instead of planes? Solar, water, wind Electric verse carbon fuels? Have you cut back on home AC and Heat requirements? Have you eliminated pleasure trips for sightseeing or family visits. Are you recycling your garbage and trash in some way other than what The Villages offers? Are you cutting back on your use of hot water from electric or gas fuels.
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I guess that I should be happy with some limited attempt to debate the actual issues (with just a slight dash of snark). That is an improvement over some. I guess that I can MOSTLY agree with the statement, "double the population, double the CO2". I will agree if the population is total worldwide and averages in BOTH 1st world and 3rd world populations because the 1st world produces much more CO2 pollution. That is why US and China populations are so important and why illegal immigration into the US is a SERIOUSLY bad issue.
......Yes, people have always migrated, but the migration that I am talking about is RECENT (10 years) migration caused by MAN-MADE CLIMATE-HEAT ruining their crops and forcing them Northward. Obviously, they are NOT migrating southward toward the Equator.