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Originally Posted by Bucco
COLOGAL
"Obama "share the wealth" agenda I think you know that in a rising tide all boats are lifted, to coin a phrase. Any time the pendulum swings to much in favor of one side the other is left out. During the last 8 years the middle class has been left out...Wall Street applauds restructuring and growth in job productivity but what those really mean is someone lost their job. I know in the last 5 years...this last year they told us if we accepted no raises then we would avert layoffs. Last week 280 more jobs were cut so far this year about 500-750 jobs have been lost. The middle class is hurting and needs help."
[ I]The figures below are from 2008 and thus do not reflect anything from the current administration, BUT with creation of jobs happening ONLY in the government sector they will get worse.
In 2008, the average salary for federal civilian workers was $79,197 while the average salary in the private sector was $50,028 and the difference is INCREASING.
When you add in benefits, federal civilian workers compensation was $119,982 versus for the private sector, $59,909 which means the total compensation was DOUBLE that of the private sector.[/I]
Do we scream about that or simply Wall St. ? No, we are giving much more strength to the federal unions and adding MUCHO to the number receiving this money.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/...-rapid-ascent/
COLOGAL
"They supported reform but wanted to see it done with thoughtful insight...not haste, waste and pork. We have been waiting for healthcare reform for 30 years.... At this point, with some many people without healthcare something needs to be done."
85%...EIGHTYFIVE PERCENT of all americans have insurance at present ! The large vast majority of them are happy with their insurance coverage.
The total number of uninsured keeps changing depending on what the WH would like to sell this week, but no matter the number, they keep using numbers that include illegal immigrants.
In the 15% that do not have insurance many of them can get it NOW for free but do not make the effort..of course now they MUST get it or pay a fine and they MUST pay for it.
All that aside....CABO said in his original post "Not one, I repeat, not one said that they didn't want to see medical/health care reform." READ THAT AGAIN....have you not learned from the "stimulus" bill which was called "for the economy" and WITH NO ARGUEMENT HAD 60% PORK.
COLOGAL
"Many seniors were upset about the government raiding anywhere from $400 billion to $700 billion for the "reform" on the backs of the Medicare they depend on. The Medicare they depend on is what they fear the most socialized single payer Health Insurance. The scare tactics that have been used on the elderly has gone beyond the pale. Death panels and thinning the herd...forcing electronic access to your bank accounts...none of this is true.
I am only 59 and I have a living will and medical directives not scary at all."
I ask you.....congress has said it is a fact that medicaire will take a cut. Congress also said the bill is too complicated to read. I am on medicaire and have no idea what all that means. Do you ? Of course not. You cant as congress cant even tell us and they are writing it.
Based on that, tell me why I should not be scared ?
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I am not sure what the salary of federal workers has to do with this....But you ignored most of my post so I will try one more time.....
Can we agree that the bill does not include, nor ever did, death panels?
You say that the bill is to complicated to read and yet I see post after post citing line numbers which then turn out NOT to be true. For example, the line number post stating the bill forced everyone to allow the government electronic access to the bank accounts. So the second one is:
Can we agree the bill never included a requirement for bank account access.
Many of us, including myself have health insurance...mine is tied to my continuing employment. 280 of my fellow employees lost their healthcare just last week. When will my time come? My company has no union.... My insurance has a lifetime cap so should I get cancer which requires chemo therapy I could be out of luck.
You are upset about the stimulus package.... I am upset about TARP, on Bush's watch, the unfunded Medicare Drug package, 2 unfunded 8 year wars and unfunded tax cuts for the rich. Why when these things happened were there no tea parties?
The president has said illegals will NOT have access to this but we pay for illegals now. Hospitals are NOT allowed to turn them away. As for the people who don't want insurance and who will be forced to get it. If they opt out of the program what happens when they get sick? Lets say they have a car accident what should we do. They didn't want health insurance....should we turn them away from the hospital? Deny them the emergency care they need?
If you think the healthcare bill is so bad how would you change it?