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Old 02-25-2024, 09:50 AM
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[QUOTE=Warren Schimpf;2304766]Revenue from a group of 20 Residents who play 2 x week, year round based on a low-average of 16/20 players.

Enhancement Memberships $16,160
Winter - Greens Fees $34,608
Summer - Green Fees $37,120
Restaurant - $32,000
Total Revenue $119,888

1. First there was a cut-back in how often our sand traps were raked.
2. Now there are several courses that are practically unplayable due to the condition of the greens.
3. We are experiencing 5-hour rounds of golf since some Ambassadors who when are asked why 3, 4-somes are on the same hole they reply with "Everyone's On Time" - Obviously not true.

To the author: your numbers seem a bit off. I track my expenses on Quicken. I play twice a week and run two groups of up to 20 guys. In the past 12 months I've spent $6,366 on golf...priority membership, green fees, and purchasing balls. Outside the bubble if I joined a country club I'd spend about the same money over a 12 month period...but here I have 13 championship courses to choose from, and I can drive my own cart set up the way I want to play the course.

It is frustrating when we're a group that moves along at a good pace and those ahead of us are slower but "on time." We almost never have a round take longer than 4 hours 15 minutes and frequently we get in at 4 hours or a bit less. But we play early...0730-0815 tee times...and usually earlier tee times are occupied by golfers who move along. Slower player usually play later in the morning or in the afternoons.

It is true about the sandtraps. When I came to TV in 2013 they were grooming traps all the time...now they rarely groom them. The level of workers taking care of the courses has also declined. When I came here they would stop and wait for a golfer to hit a shot. Now they mostly just continue their work/travel when we are hitting a ball. To be fair, some do stop and wait, but most don't. We have to yell at workers working in the fairways to get out of the way so we can hit. Same for the rare times they are grooming greenside traps...they don't stop because we are hitting onto the green.

Pins are a problem also. Mostly they do not tamp down the ground around the pin and the hole cutters are mostly dull, leaving a ragged pin rim. The problem with not tamping the ground appropriately is a ball rolling slowly to the cup will veer off if the ground is raised around the cup. We see this all the time. Yes, we've talked to grounds managers about it, they admit it's a problem, they say they will do better...they don't. It is what it is.

I was in a traveling group for about a year also. When you consider the drive time, the playing time, and lunch after the round, it adds up to an 8 hour day unless you only play courses close to TV. Plus you are not using your own cart set up the way you want it for golf.

Overall, TV courses get a lot of play, even with the lower number of reservations this year. At the money we spent yearly to play a choice of 13 courses...it's a good deal.