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Originally Posted by rustyp
Are you supporting my point that the real benefit would be trained CPR neighbors not an AED device ?
I'm having a hard time believing that a neighborhood AED has a high probability of actual shock administered within a four minute window. Put a time estimate on these events prior to administration:
- Realization that the event is serious enough that one should place the 911 call
- Retrieving a phone and placing the call
- Relaying the information to the 911 operator
- 911 operator relays info to paramedics
- Paramedic triggers phone calls to trained AED neighbors.
- AED trained neighbors digest info
- AED trained neighbor gather personal belongings - keys, phone, hat, jacket, etc.
- AED trained neighbor leaves house (by foot / golf cart ?) and fetches AED
- AED trained neighbor goes from AED station to the house of victim
- AED trained neighbor communicates apron arrival at the house about situation
- AED trained neighbor hooks up device
- AED device does self diagnosis
- AED button is pushed
Is it possible all this in 4 minutes from the event start - maybe under ideal conditions
What percentage of time will all these steps occur in a private home situation (not the town square, rec center, etc) within the four minute window - my opinion very low percentage.
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Originally Posted by JMintzer
Well, to start, the very first thing a responder does is rush to the home and start CPR (if needed)... A point you were unaware of (or conveniently ignored...). Since that has been explained, multiple times, I'm going with "option B"...
That alone proves your entire premise wrong...
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You just added an extra step between 6 and 7.You can't retrieve the AED if you are doing CPR. Now you are going to say another volunteer is getting the AED. We will need to coordinate golf, pickle ball, rec center classes . etc. to make sure we have the coverage.
Change add or delete the steps. The point was we have a 6 minute response time here in TV by paramedics. I also stated the payback would be CPR training. It's a very small chance you will beat the paramedics to the AED button push step.
My opinion (which allowed until you can produce the time data I requested) is
- The AED in a TV volunteer situation is more a placebo than a life saver. It's not likely to be used but has to be maintained.
- Spend your efforts getting neighbors CPR trained. That's where 99% of the payback will come from.
I wish people would learn to read - go back - reread! The list was intended for the reader to assign time to steps to illustrate how likely or unlikely neighbors would beat paramedics in TV to the AED - not CPR.