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Originally Posted by saratogaman
I'll grant you the peerage point but neither you nor Monckton offer precise info that claims to scientifically say that there is no global warming going on.
What about those island nations that are seeing their above-water land disappear? Who can disprove what they are experiencing?
Forget the politics...what about what is actually happening?
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I's been more than a few days since I first replied to your question and I decided to add a little bit more evidence.
Real data concerning such things as warming and rising sea level has been requested. First, let’s deal with warming. The best source of data from a consistently measured source is the US NCDC Annual Climate Review. This source provides annual data including average annual temperature for the United States. Source site-
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...s-summary.html
Even a casual perusal of this site with show two significant warming periods:
The first from 1895 to 1934 - a rise of 4.8 degrees Fahrenheit.
The second from 1978 to 1998 – a rise of 4.2 degrees Fahrenheit.
Both these periods had a high temperature of 55.0 degrees Fahrenheit.
The first cooling period went from 1994 to 1978 – a drop of 4 degrees Fahrenheit.
The second cooling period began in 1998 and through 2008 has shown a drop of 2 degrees Fahrenheit to 53.0 degrees. This is only 0.2 degrees above the 20th century average of 52.8 degrees.
The second subject is “What about those island nations that are seeing their above-water land disappear?” To look at this objectively, I again go back to data provided by The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA.
The data from 149 stations around the world is summarized at
http://www.pol.ac.uk/psmsl/psmsl_ind..._stations.html The period of time measured varies from a few decades to well over 150 years. The locations go from Reykjavik, Iceland to Argentine Islands, Antarctica hitting 147 points around the world in between. Some of the stations show sea level rising and some show it dropping. This nasty old world of ours insists on variation over time.
Anyone is welcome to go to the source documents and examine them and then draw conclusions, however, after do a spreadsheet analysis of the data, I found the average rate of sea level rise to be 2.42” per century. This is hardly a disaster in the making.
Is our globe warming at this time? I believe, though am not sure, the answer is yes. We are certainly warmer than we were in the 18th century when the East River regularly froze over. We are certainly cooler than we were when the Vikings established colonies on Greenland and supported an agrarian life style there.
Is there any evidence that the causes of this warming, in contrast to others that have gone before it, are anthropogenic? In MYHO the answer is to this is an emphatic NO!
What we need to fear is not global warming, but global cooling. Ice ages have dominated the history of the earth with for every 15 to 20 thousand years of warming, such as we enjoy now, there were centuries of cold. In severe cases, this resulted in ‘ice-ball’ earth. The last ice age came to an end about 18,00 years ago when the ice above what is now Chicago was over three miles deep. Imagine the impact on our ‘bread basket’ of this vast cold and then imagine how many of us could exist in this bare earth with only ice and desert.
Just my thoughts. I’d love to hear positions supporting anthropogenic global warming, and/or anthropogenic climate change, backed up with real scientific data rather the scare mongering tactics now employed. Can anyone supply this, please?