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Originally Posted by Rainger99
I never said that trackman numbers have any relation to tour performance. But I think that if you are one of the longer hitters with trackman, you would also be one of the longer hitters on tour.
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That would be inaccurate conclusion, based in dissimilar and anecdotal information .... and 2 incongruous sentences.
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Originally Posted by Rainger99
And you said Rory is not one of the longest hitters with his irons. How many people today hit a shorter club on #8 than Rory’s 3 iron? I didn’t see anyone with a 4 or 5 iron.
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I'm sorry, but I hate to be misquoted.
I said
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Originally Posted by BrianL99
Rory is not one of the "longest hitters on tour" with his irons. He's in the upper-middle of the pack with irons ... by design.
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That's what the statistics show. ON TOUR Rory isn't typically one of the "longest hitters on Tour with his irons". Could he be if he felt that was important? Probably.
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Originally Posted by Rainger99
How many people today hit a shorter club on #8 than Rory’s 3 iron? I didn’t see anyone with a 4 or 5 iron.
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You should have watched more closely.
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Originally Posted by Rainger99
The 8th hole at Oakmont will once again play as the longest Par 3 in U.S. Open history, coming in at 290+ yards. It was 300 yards the last time the Open was played there.
I don’t think every pro golfer can hit it 290 yards. In 2021, the average drive was 295.30 yards.
Is this unfair to the shorter drivers??
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Originally Posted by coleprice
The average PGA drive of 300 yards is accomplished with a DRIVER. Many PGA pros can't hit 300 yards with anything but a Driver or 3-Wood, if they can reach 300 hards at all.
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The premise of the original post, was that the 8th hole was "too long" for many PGA Tour Players.
Players were hitting irons on that hole. I'm sure a couple of guys hit Drivers, but that was rare. There are no players on the PGA Tour that can't reach a 300 yard Par 3 and most of them don't need a Driver to do it.
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Originally Posted by Rainger99
Entering the 4th round, it is the third hardest hole.
The average score is 3.480.
There have been 11 birdies,
198 pars, 149 bogeys, 21 double bogeys, and 1 other.
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Not a fair conclusion. 15 other holes averaged lower "in relation to par".
"Par" is an arbitrary number, that doesn't really mean anything, nor is it a characterization of how difficult a hole is.
There's no real way to quantify "hardest", because there's no way to quantify a player's intentions. Players weren't playing #8, with the intention of making "birdie", they were playing it with the intention of not make bogey or double-bogey. Changes the dynamic.
The hardest holes (through 3 rounds), were likely, the 3rd, 9th or 15th. Those holes had the most double-bogeys or higher, score.