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Retired PGA Professional..........Golf Professional of the year 3 times, twice in 1 of the PGA Sections. Hall of Fame Inductee in one location.....average club pro player

Current Handicap is I don't have one............Scores 70-78 depending on tees, play blue or gold,

Swing mechanics have always interested me. More important is golfers interpretation of those mechanics and how that interpretation can screw up their swings.

The one thing that no one teaches is how to co-ordinate your golf swing. They teach a lot of things but not that. My retirement focus(research/entertainment) at times is on that. Concepts are taught, how to co-ordinate those concepts isn't. It's left to the golfer to figure out. And in most cases they dont.

Grabbed a few folks at the driving range and within 30 minutes their ball striking was transformed. More solid(impact) and smaller margin of error. Very sweet!

After 1 month of a new process, the 23 became a 10, the 16 became an 8, the 27 became a 17, the 20 became a 10. I was amazed as we only worked on full swings, woods and irons.
Maybe 3 or 4 times contact with each on their progress.

I saw a fellow with a very good swing and the ball was not in a small enough margin of error. I watched intently as he started messing with his swing but had to stop him and convince him not to screw up a good swing. I actually fixed his club set-up and made him understand that when the shaft flexes the head of the club closes slightly at impact and flattens slightly. This is why at set-up, the face of the club should be slightly open and the toe slightly off ground to compensate for the flexing of the shaft. In addition, the ball should not be in the middle of the club face but closer to the hosel. When centripital force occurs the clubface is pulled closer to the body and thats how you get the center of the club face. Watch the guys on TV and you will see the open face, toe up slightly and ball near hosel, most folks dont look at these things. Well he got rid of his excess draw and his margin of error decreased substantially. So he stopped screwing with his swing.

I explained this process in an earlier message, it was picking a side to lead your golf swing. No wrong answer just your answer. The ball will tell you which is best, always listen to the ball.

I watch a lot of people getting fitted for clubs who have no golf swing. Actually gave a couple of fitters a mini lesson and realized they have a minimal amount of knowledge as well. They fit to a repeating motion even if bad. Thats what they are taught to do. Problem is, that repeating motion doesn't repeat that often. Even the fitters contact improved.

I have not encountered rejection, which I expected, trepidation maybe at first, but once they see results they are all in. So I dabble in research of the golfers mind and how it takes in all the print, you tube and TV swing data. Does it help, it most cases not.

Met a pro in Datona. He said he played with Moe Norman once. He shot 75 Moe shot 68. He was proud of his 75 and asked Mo what he thought about his swing. Moe said, " You got nothing, too many pieces.

Shibumi is a mystical character that comes out of nowhere to solve problems. In this case golf swing problems. So he collects data from all types of golfers to improve his swing problem solving.

Did it for many years, tough to break a habit, the fee was high, but few lessons were needed.
Not looking to restart just looking to continue research in my retirement. Its my entertainment And I like to remain anonymous, thank you.

I probably have said too much and am not looking for bookings.
Alright! You’ve got me intrigued. (No wonder you keep giving good advice about how to play. Thank you, by the way.)