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Old 09-28-2025, 05:28 AM
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This post is longer than most anyone wants to read, I apologize. I have too much time on my hands while nursing an injury and I'm tired of so-called "golf experts" and instructors, trying to teach recreational, mid-high handicap golfers, like they have aspirations to play the Senior Tour. The goal of recreational golf is to have fun, not to beat balls on a driving range, trying to learn a new swing at 70 years old.

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So is SHIBUMI trying to get readers and posters on the TOTV forum to hire him to give them golf lessons? I find that odd, but if so he should at least verify that he is a class A PGA professional and has passed his course work and playing test. That is a necessary but not sufficient qualification for being a teacher. We need more legitimate pros around here. With the number of courses and players it is crazy how few there are.
Let's be honest here. In order to join the PGA union, a person has to ONCE demonstrate the ability to shoot within 15 strokes of a Course Rating, over 36 holes. As long as a member keeps paying his dues and attends a seminar or 2, every three years, he gets to keep calling himself a PGA Professional. There is no obligation to (ever) hit another golf ball. Many PGA Professionals can't break 85 on a regular basis. The Head Professional at a club I belong to, could barely break 85 on her best day. She could play in the mid-high 70's, when she was in college. (She recently got fired.)

What The Villages could use, are more teachers who get out of their cubicle at Sarasota and visit a golf course, where it all happens.

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Grabbed a few folks at the driving range and within 30 minutes their ball striking was transformed. More solid(impact) and smaller margin of error. Very sweet!
& this folks, is what no golfer needs. Unsolicited "help" from a random person at the range. It's what we see every day at golf ranges in TV. Husbands who can't break 100, teaching their wives.

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After 1 month of a new process, the 23 became a 10, the 16 became an 8, the 27 became a 17, the 20 became a 10. I was amazed as we only worked on full swings, woods and irons.
Maybe 3 or 4 times contact with each on their progress.
Let's see your students GHIN records. Without that, it's merely noise.

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Retired PGA Professional..........Golf Professional of the year 3 times, twice in 1 of the PGA Sections. Hall of Fame Inductee in one location
Why not simply post your awards for teaching? "Golf Professional of the Year" has nothing to do with teaching or playing. PGA Sectional awards for "PGA Teacher of the Year" have some credibility, every other award is either a popularity contest, or related to member engagement or shirt merchandising.

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Current Handicap is I don't have one............Scores 70-78 depending on tees, play blue or gold
How convenient. Post your scores from some credible source or events you've played in. Or, I’ll put up $500 to your $100, you can’t break 80 from the Gold Tees. You pick the course and date, any Championship course in The Villages is fine.

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I play blues, and at 74 I can still hit it 270 with the driver, the ego's of the other players:
I’ve got $500 to your $100, you can’t carry the ball 235 yards. Name the course and date, I’ll be there.

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Retired
And I like to remain anonymous, thank you..
If I couldn’t back up everything I type, I’d remain anonymous too.

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made him understand that when the shaft flexes the head of the club closes slightly at impact and flattens slightly. This is why at set-up, the face of the club should be slightly open and the toe slightly off ground to compensate for the flexing of the shaft. In addition, the ball should not be in the middle of the club face but closer to the hosel. When centripital force occurs the clubface is pulled closer to the body and thats how you get the center of the club face. Watch the guys on TV and you will see the open face, toe up slightly and ball near hosel, most folks dont look at these things. Well he got rid of his excess draw and his margin of error decreased substantially. So he stopped screwing with his swing.
The above is exactly what's wrong with most golf instruction, particularly instruction you'll get from an old time PGA professional. They believe what they were taught in the 60's and 70's, much of which has been disproven by high-speed video and launch monitors.
Hardly a single PGA Tour player sets up with the ball anywhere other than the center of the club face (Fuzzy Zoeller was a prime example of not doing that, 45 years ago). Why? Because modern irons and shafts are designed to counter act the poor flex characteristics of old line shafts. The "sweet spot" in golf irons from the 60's, was nearer the hosel, that is no longer true. Modern golf irons almost all have a sweet spot in the middle of the club face. It's amazing what 60 years of technology has done for the golf game.

Golf is not about swing theory. It is not about the effects of centrifugal force on your club face. You're not swinging hard enough for that to matter and you’re surely not swinging fast enough, you need to worry about "making compensations" for shaft flex.
Golf at the recreational level, is about keeping your golf ball in front of you, until you get it in the hole. Don't let anyone complicate the game if you want to have fun playing golf.

Grip: A grip that allows you to return the clubface to “square” most times.
Alignment: You need to know how to “aim” (railroad tracks)
Setup: You need to know where to put the ball in your stance and do it consistently.
Posture: You need a posture that gives you room to swing and that you can maintain throughout the golf swing.
You need to learn course management.
You need to stop being afraid to putt unconscientiously (Dave Stockton).

I’ll be in The Villages as soon my broken ribs heal up, probably 11/1. If anyone wants a free lesson on a Championship course, just send me a message. I have no interest in being a golf instructor or coach, but I love hearing other golfers say, “****, this isn’t as hard as I thought”.
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