lots of great ideas here, bear and allen and others, once again i did not intend to be angry or sarcastic, this subject comes up over and over, i will tell you again I have played no less than 25 courses outside TV in the last 6 months and i find our courses overall are in better condition, that does no mean we don't have some courses that need attention here or there, i have been here five years and have not seen any degredation in the courses, IMHO they are probably a little better now, there will always be issues with one course or another, it's the same in TV and outside TV, now just don't ask me to explain it....gn
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