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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna
Bucco, you know where I stand on things. I'm the last one who will defend this Democratic party. (I won't defend the Republicans either, by the way.)
But Harry Truman was FDR's Vice President. Is there a huge difference between what has occurred in this administration compared to FDR? Both were coming off a depression, both had high unemployment. Lots of similar problems. About all FDR didn't have was a war or two to contend with--that and having terrorists trying to kill Americans in their homeland if possible.
But are all the "government intrusions" into people's lives all that different between FDR and BO? Both Democrats, separated only by about 75 years. I'm not challenging your memory, Bucco, but I thinlk it can be demonstrated that the Democrats of old aren't all that different than today.
One exception--like the Republicans, the Democrats also have a "wingnut faction" as far to the left as the GOP wingnuts are to the right. Maybe the wingnuts were there back in the 1930's as well, but I don't recall reading about them.
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I am sure that you know this, but basically every program that FDR enacted, with the exception of Social Security has been overturned !!!!
Listen, I agree..both parties have the wingnut faction, but starting in 2000 this party has been overtaken by the far left...will not call them wingnut because I am not into labels or name calling....HOWEVER, this party is "owned" right now by the unions and those who lean VERY far left. If you really read about the folks in the background of this party...those who pushed Obama to where he is....it is shocking.
Now, this is NOT a defense of the Republican party....they, as you say, both have their segments. Difference is the far left has been SUCCESFULL in taking over control of thier party....the far right makes noise but controls nothing at this point within the Republican party.
Listen, this is my opinion, but as I told you during the campaign I have really spent time reading about the rise of this faction in the party the last 10 years and the evidence to me is overwhelming about the idealogy that is controlling this White House.
I think it may have been you who brought up the right wing "neo conservative" groups that had much too much input in the early Bush years but they fizzled out quickly...this progressive group in the Democratic party is so well funded and so strong there is little to no chance of them being moved out unless the voters send a clear message.
We need both parties back to the middle and quickly.
By the way, if my history memory serves me...FDR brought out his own type of "tea ******" movement and again...all but Social Security have been turned over. There may be a few financial controls that he set up still around, but the point is...FDR caused the same stir !
The world is a different place...while money was important then, it is more now...the world is "smaller"....FDR held out in getting involved in what was happening in the world until Pearl Harbor and probably made WW2 last much longer at more severe loss of life, but that is for historians to debate. Point is, you cannot ignore these things today !
Point is....to me,anyway, this current Democratic party is controlled by the extreme far left, albeit a much smoother and sly faction, and that is very dangerous to this country. Neo conservative could also be as dangerous but simply consider a President and congress who facing serious and back breaking deficits would pass a financial mess like the health care bill which does not even do what they said....address costs...and was totally opposed by the american citizens and despite what they have said, it is more opposed the more the american public knows. Add that to the fact that is was done with backroom deals, secret pacts, payoffs, etc, and you can see the danger.