[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Bryan

Twice, maybe three times, in all these posts the questions have been asked about the fines, how much, who imposes them, what is the process. No where did an answer ever come up. Someone gave the district gov link, which I went to, and could not find the info.

Fines imply some sort of penalty. In this country, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. If anyone is fining me, they have to go to court (civil or criminal) and prove their case. I get a chance to confront my accusers and present my side. Then there is a ruling. You can't just add a fine to my Amenity Fees because you feel like it.

Like Talk Host, I sure would like to know the process, the fines, and the system to this.

On a slightly related subject, someone said Community Watch checked the ID of a guest for their age twice. Details were lacking. Community Watch has no policing powers so if they checked the ID "on the street" or at the home, you should have refused to even speak to them, kicked them off your property. If they checked it at a pool or rec center, that is different - that is one of their duties. But all they can check for is the Guest Pass or Village ID - not an ID for age proof.

Way too often I think the "squeaking wheel" approach is used to address deed and covenant violations. No complaint equals no enforcement. Complaints equals action (most of the time). What we need is evenhanded, consistent enforcement of the rules - not spotty enforcement on a whim.

Furthermore, times change. What made sense five or ten years ago may not make sense today. That is why googling "silly laws" gets so many hits. We never go back and repeal invalid or outdated rules. Maybe that is what we need today - a review and rewriting of some of our rules to reflect current times. Get rid of outdated or useless rules, repeal them, trash them, or change them to fit today's world.

Bryan, guests must not only present their guest card but their picture ID as well. That is stated right on the pass. The person checking ID's can do the math. CW does have the power to ask them to leave the facility. Children under 19 are not allowed at the facilities alone and, in most instances, will not have a picture ID; they must be accompanied by an adult (someone over 19 with proper ID). For instance, you cannot drop the grandkids off at the pool and return for them later.

There is a "family section" in TV. It is the Village of Spring Arbor. They are allowed to have children there but do not get the ammenity privileges (at least the kids don't). I don't know all the particulars, but maybe the grandparents in question could check that out.