I have to apologize for taking the subject off base by responding in a juvenile manner to saratogaman. By acting like I'm in elementary school and responding with a response that seemed, after I stood back and re-read my response, like an childish "my father is stronger than your father" reaction, I realize I forgot the message was history and education. I am sorry. This subject is too important to be subjected to that sort of thing.
Back to the topic of facts and history.