The only "most believe" that I said was about the Immaculate Conception. Please quote me where I said otherwise.

I know it's tangent here but.. The reason I said "Most Believe" was because, having gone to Catholic school, I was raised to believe that the Immaculate Conception was the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary, in that she was never with a man 'in the biblical sense'.

I was in my late 30s when I discovered that the Immaculate Conception was actually the conception of *Mary* - and was deemed such because the Church decided that she could not have been tainted by Original Sin (as we were taught we all were) - the reason being that Jesus could not be carried in the womb of someone who was sufferring under Original Sin - so HER conception (presumably by her parents) was deemed 'Immaculate'.

Hardly anyone knows this and when you *do* ask around it's not exactly hidden - they (meaning the Church) just don't "advertise" it.

And, no, I'm not making this up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception