[Russ_Boston]

Golf isn't really a form of exercise?

Maybe not if you get in a cart and ride but a full length 18 hole walk is about 4.5 miles over the course of 4.5 hours. Granted it is done in 200 yard segments but it is still 4.5 miles.

More importantly we say things like "we should lobby for this". Where do you propose the money would come from for new more lavish (never mind free) gyms? Our amenity fee is based on the current setup. Lobby all you want it won't happen. There are not that many new centers left to be built and they are not going to retrofit the old ones never mind make them free.

Another point that I've made many times when talking about gyms is this: If it were such a needed thing that everyone uses (although I think Gracie is correct about most people not using them) then why doesn't an outside business venture step in and start creating them like crazy on 466 or 466A or 44? MVP is the only outside vendor to date and the jury is still out to see if they will be financial successful at current rates.

The reason that many other real estate developments offer free gyms is simple. They don't have what TV has! They need to offer something to entice buyers. Many of these developments are failing. TV is still closing 300 homes a month (give or take).