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Originally Posted by Tbugs
So, what you are saying, Jim, is that the Iowans will take the jobs that Mexicans are working - but for a much higher wage?
You also said the corporate farms hire the Mexicans. Whose fault is that? Once again, I would bet the owners of those corporate farms are REPUBLICANS who have contributed large sums of money to REPUBLICAN (or maybe TEA PARTY) PACs and candidates.
Your family did good work for the meat packers but NOW it is not the Iowan who is working those meat packing plants. That was in years gone by that the workers were Iowans. Now, it is the Mexican who works for the lower wages that the CORPORATE owners pay.
Look up Postville, Iowa on your computer and tell me what happened there with the meat packing plant - and whose fault it was that the Mexicans came to Postville.
Some Iowa companies have moved to Mexico. That was due to NAFTA. Which president of the US created NAFTA? It was Bush the First (gee, he was a REPUBLICAN, wasn't he?).
Do not demonize "liberals" for all that has created so much illegal immigration. Look to your own party as well as corporate greed.
Do you want to round up all the illegal immigrants and ship them en masse back to their country of origin or what? Once again, look at what happened to Postville, Iowa after the Immigration agents rounded up 450 in an early morning raid. Postville has gone from a thriving community to a dusty spot that is poverty stricken - with Iowans.
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So I guess you're saying that American citizens should accept the sub-poverty level wages that an illegal immigrant would accept to do the same job.
This is the new position of the Liberals? I would have thought liberals attributed that sort of economic slavery to right-wingers. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess the liberals love of defending illegals outweighs their compassion for the American family and the American dream.
Also, check your history if you like, but NAFTA was passed and signed by PRESIDENT CLINTON. In fact in order to get the votes to get NAFTA passed, newly elected PRESIDENT CLINTON made a whirlwind national tour to strong-arm the acquisition of the deciding votes to ram through NAFTA, so HE COULD SIGN IT INTO LAW. This after running for President with the platform promise of defeating it.
So you're saying that all the arrests for illegal activity in the Pottsville raid, including conspiracy, document fraud, identity theft, CHILD LABOR, harboring illegals for profit, bank fraud, mail and wire fraud and money laundering were probably OK with you as it was providing work for poor misunderstood illegals.
The plant owners were convicted and put in jail for all those myriad crimes. The illegal immigrants were deported back to their own country. Thus, the company fell. Is the position of the Liberal that in spite of all these illegal activities, the crimes should be ignored because ................. what?
The Liberals and the Democrats usually support the Unions, so I can't get my head around the convoluted thinking in your post. Are you for hard working American families?; for the illegals supplanting those families?; for the unionized worker organizing for a better life?; for the maintaining of illegal businesses for the support of illegal workers?
Are you thinking this through? Whose side are you on?
Maybe if we were all on an untouchable government pension, we could be so cavalier in our thinking.