Tbug, married while in the service so had to work and complete college at night. Home state had close shop laws forced me to join two unions, Steelworkers and Teamsters. My Dad had a respectable position with the Teamsters, We had opposing points of views about unions. Upon completion of college entered corporate world and spend many years in management both operations and Human Resources. As a general comment I understand the benefit of management v unions to maintain balance but working such programs as Job Classification, Merit Salary and Performance Evaluation Programs et al you develop a totally different perspective not to forget the Employment law issues. I could go on and on but you obviously been there and done that. So essentially I was reared in a blue collar family.