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Old 10-12-2011, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna View Post
Actually, Richie, a sales tax puts more money into the government's pockets and results in much higher prices to consumers than a VAT tax. In that sense, I hope you're wrong and that Cain's plan really is a VAT tax.

Let's take a really simple example. A fabricator buys steel from a steel mill, fabricates a product, and sells it to a consumer. Let's assume that each company in the supply chain marks up his costs by double to create a selling price for his product.

VAT Tax Example
  • Steel company buys taconite from mining company for $1,000 (that includes $90 in VAT tax buried in the selling price)
  • Steel mill produces and rolls steel and sells it to the fabricator for $2,000 (that includes $180 in VAT tax included in the selling price of the steel)
  • The fabricator produces a product and sells it to a consumer for $4,000 (that includes $360 in VAT tax)
  • Total VAT tax paid to provide the product to the end-user is $630.
Sales Tax Example
  • Mine sells taconite to steel company for $1,000. Steel company has to pay $1,090 including a 9% sales tax of $90
  • The steel company produces and rolls steel and sells it to the fabricator for $2,180. The fabricator has to pay 9% sales tax on the purchase steel, a total of $2,376
  • The fabricator sells his product, made with the steel, to a consumer for $4,752. The consumer has to pay a 9% sales tax of $428, bringing his purchase price to $5,180
  • Total "sales taxes" collected in the process of producing and selling this product to an end-user = $714
Many have described the plan Cain sets forth as a VAT tax. If it is actually a sales tax as you assert, the total taxes paid to the government would be $714, about 13% more than if the tax regime was a VAT tax. More importantly, the consumer would have paid a purchase price of $5,180 instead of $4,000 under the VAT tax regime, almost a 30% premium in purchase price.
Your expertise and posts are great, but here I think your Sales Tax Example is wrong under Cain 9-9-9 Plan in which sales tax is paid only by the end user, and not by the steel company and fabricator when they buy materials "from other businesses" in your Sales tax example.

This is a quote from Cain's website on 9-9-9 plan:

"Business Flat Tax – 9%
Gross income less all investments, all purchases from other businesses and all dividends paid to shareholders."