Read this entire thread tonight to catch up on what the fuss was about...I remember my mother, her sisters, and my grandmothers, all of which were Gentle Giants! They were larger than life and givers of love without limit. They nurtured, disciplined, advised, made wonderful meals and kept simple beautiful homes. They did all this guietly and without an inkling of a need to emasculate the men in their lives or this world. At peace with their truly powerful feminity. I am saddened at the place that women's lib has gotten us. The anger and hatred for men AND the immense amount of arrogance leaping off the postings of the female posters on this thread, is repulsive. Such from the older, wiser, more mature women...WOW! I am embarrassed for my gender. No wonder our society is in the sad condition it is in today.