This thread, particularly the dialogue between Kahuna ane Richie, gives me some hope that an adult discussion with respect and nuance can actually still occur on this board. I don't get on here often, and usually even unsubscribe so as not to even be exposed to the vitriol, but if there is going to be change in our governance, it must begin with intelligent and sincere discussion. Calling politicians demeaning names and answering sincere opposing arguments with ad hominem attacks only perpetuates the divisive atmosphere that is crippling this great country.