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Old 12-10-2011, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cabo35 View Post
Kahuna........it's interesting that while you pump up your "independent" choice, you by accident or design, fail to cite the notable and significant attributes of the incumbent, Congressman Rich Nugent. Does the fact that he is a member of the Tea Party Caucus offend you?

Are you upset that Congressman Nugent is pro-veteran and military? He has three sons currently serving this country.

Perhaps his on the record opposition to Obamacare and his commitment to its repeal is a problem for you.

Could it be that you disagree with Congressman Nugent's fight to curb government spending and reign in the national debt?

Is it a bad thing that Congressman Nugent advocates for a balanced budget amendment?

I am reasonably sure you are not offended by the fact that while at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, the Congressman knelt and prayed with the family of a Marine who was killed in action or his support of an intelligent plan to bring the troops home from Afghanistan. Of course you will have to do some research on the specifics that I found impressive. You may or may not agree.

I took the time to do some cursory research on your man John Russell. I have to say, I was singularly unimpressed, but, that is just my opinion. Congressman Nugent, on the other hand has a definable track record that many in the district agree with.

The "vote them all out" mentality may feel good, but, votes cast with that in mind are ultimately........ frivolously wasted. A more productive attitude would for voters to educate themselves and pull the lever based on a more informed perspective. That would allow us to vote intelligently for candidates that reflect our own beliefs, needs and interests as well as the country's.

For balance to your one-way street.... Chicago style..... here is a Wikipedia link to Congressman Rich Nugent for those that need to hear the other side for balance. For certain, there may be a few positions we both disagree with, but, I doubt there is any candidate we would agree 100% with.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Nugent
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Originally Posted by cabo35 View Post
Kahuna....Your harsh criticism of Congressman Nugent appears to be very contradictory according to your own words. You say he couldn't vote his own mind because he would need to comply with "ideologically" driven leaders. Yet, the GOP leadership trichotomy you define in your post often holds conflicting views. That in itself suggests a caucus that encourages independent thinking and decision making.

What specific legislation has he "not voted his own mind on"? For your convenience, I have listed below a link that will take you to at least 29 pieces of legislation he acted on early in his term. I'm finding more without much effort that would bely your criticism.

"Congressman Nugent, in just two months as a member of Congress has co-sponsored 29 pieces of legislation". Wikipedia. He certainly had no trouble going "on the record" with his positions. They're listed in the link I provided if you want to nitpick.

For you to single out the Congressman and rant "he can only vote as he is directed by his ideologically-driven leaders." without mentioning Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, they're Democrats if I recall, is a case of selective partisan criticism. I'm sure you will gratuitously offer up a Democrat you've criticized as a token of your non-partisanship.

You also failed to mention that Russell has run before as a Democrat, rather unsuccessfully. Maybe its just me, but it is suspicious that this long time Democrat suddenly saw the light and is now running as an Independent in a very Conservative Republican District.

Always a pleasure to cross sabers with a thoughtful provocateur. Have a good evening.
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djp..... you seemed to have missed the point. Congressman Nugent took clear positions on 29 bills that he co-sponsored and I was quite specific in his documented positions on Obamacare, government spending, the national debt and a balanced budget amendment among many others. You may not categorically agree with his positions but he has not been a "Present" legislator in the image of Senator Obama. He has taken positions. To turn your question around, where did he bend to the party line and how do you know he subordinated himself?

Your preaching to the choir about passing bills. In my former life, I have been deeply involved in the drafting and passing of legislation. I understand the system.

Of course, being suspicious by nature, I wonder why Congressman Nugent was singled out by name. Why does a singularly unimpressive Democrat in Independent clothing, John Russell get a plug. Does the Democrat Senator Bill Nelson get a pass by not being named in the post as an incumbent who needs to get the boot? Why?

I gather from your defense that you approve of throwing all the bums out regardless of their individual records. Let's see, if that fairly tale came true.....hmmmm.....there would be........ a Democratic Congress. My, my....how convenient that would be. If I was a Democrat looking to take over the Congress, that might be a good idea. I respect you and Kahuna. My point simply is why a Republican Congressman was singled out by name and a Democratic Senator gets no name recognition as a target for the "voting the bums out" crowd. Wait a minute......the Senate is controlled by Democrats, Bill Nelson is a Democrat. If we could just throw the bums in the House out and leave the bums in the Senate.....we could......fill in the blanks. Fundamental fairness? Machiavellian maneuver?

I know, I know....sometimes my posts are not only out of the box, but off the wall....but I do have fun.

Enjoyed the exchange......have a good day.
I will stand by my position as stated above. I used entire quotes to avoid the in kind parsing and the redundancy your posts solicit. Sadly, from my perspective, your responses to the overall context of my posts were diminished to taking contrived swipes at statements you cleverly lifted out of context. Let the reader be the judge. It was refreshing to see you mention Sen. Nelson the Democrat by name. Just to be clear.......is Senator Marco Rubio the other unnamed Republican incumbent you would like to throw out of office?

You don't have a monopoly on dander. Have a great weekend.