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Originally Posted by djplong
Really? So you and Richie are simply calling all those other polls, the statements I linked to and the people I've met a grand conspiracy of liars and plotters?
Just to make sure... Richie, you said I was dodging the question - the matter at hand about Muslims. I pointed you to several links - the poll indicating that *American* Muslims are even more fervently anti-violence than other religious denominations, for one. I pointed you to people who ARE speaking out against the violence and hatred.
You choose to ignore those?
Why is it that you rail against the "lame-stream media" when it's one of your oxes being gored - a message you (and other conservatives) want to get out in the public. Yet, if it's a message that runs counter to your opinions, you dismiss it out of hand.
I would think that, having pointed out the exact kind of people you SEEM to want to hear from - Muslims decrying violence and rejecting hatred, you would be EAGER to highlight them.
It would be as if someone was claiming that Christians were war-mongering and genocidal and quoting passages from Leviticus as 'proof'. You can't name very many Christian preachers or pastors who are TODAY talking about Leviticus being a bit out of date. It's just naturally assumed. If you PRESS an individual Christian, they'll tell you that Jesus forged a new covenant. But it's not what you see in the papers every day.
Now, if you're talking about Muslims *overseas*, well, you have a better argument. But I just pointed you to information that speaks heavily to those who are on our shores now.
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The Muslims you link are a bit encouraging but far, far from the mainstream of American influence. The only Muslim group that our major media (lamestream media; thank you very much) supplicates to is CAIR. Do you want to defend the works and policy points of the most influential group of Muslims in our country, who's leaders have even been feted by the Obama Administration.
You pick obscure representatives of the Muslim community to represent your view that American Muslims are the same as you and me, and then you use obscure Christian representatives to "advance" your view that Christianity does indeed promote violence.
I may be reading a little too much into what you doing here, but I don't think by a lot.
Islam is the biggest threat to the safety of freedom loving peoples on the globe. We can ignore it at our peril.
Remember the bullies in school. Did ignoring them or placating them diminish the bullied's problems, or escalate the abuse? Think about it.