The first thing you must do to relieve your confusion is to actually read the thread and the related posts you are commenting on. The rest will be self evident to you. I look forward to reading your case in defense of Obama's economic policies and how they could not possibly be influenced by the points cited and referenced. There is a case to the contrary to be made, but, I haven't heard it from the loyal oppostion on this board. All I hear in response are one line partisan talking points that do not enrich the dialogue.

My Cliff's Notes abridged response would be:

Marx - redistribution of wealth advocate, class warfare advocate

Cloward-Piven - collapse the economy by overloading entitlements to pave the way for destroying capitalism and introducing new Marxist inspired system

Presumptuously, if I were advising you on how to debate the topic..... I never suggested it was not debatable or open to different points of view..... I would suggest you did some cursory research on Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto and Cloward-Piven for starters. Looking forward to a healthy, spirited engagement......possibly.