the point, as usual bypassed for convenience, was that so far, there has only been lip service given to energy independence. And they all, including Obama always remind us it cannot be done quickly. But how can ANYBODY accept such rhetoric 40 years later....with NOTHING accomplished....and NOTHING to offer except to remind us it can't be done over night.

The point of the thread was to mock the lack of a beginning of a process/plan/action/program.....instead we get the continuation of business as usual regarding energy in the USA...continued good fortune for the oil producers, the speculators, the lobbyists, the special interest groups and obviously (to some of us) the politicians.

Some things just will not spin ya know!

btk