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Originally Posted by RichieLion
Heck with that. 40 years ago? I want to go back to the founding principles, and thats a lot longer than 40 years ago.
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Originally Posted by djplong
Not that Richie needs *me* defending him - but there's a difference between a principle and the way it's executed.
Consider how far a leap the Founding Fathers made from what they came from as British subject to what they went to as Americans. No, the implementation was not perfect - flawed in many ways. But we've spent over 200 years trying to implement that grammatical error - "In order to form a more perfect Union".
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Originally Posted by buggyone
Richie, I hate to have to teach you Constitutional Law for free.
The founding fathers of this country included slave owners. Slaves were not allowed to vote. The non-slave owners wanted to exclude slaves completely from population when deciding the number of representatives to Congress. The slave holding states did not agree. Therefore, the 3/5 compromise was reached with slaves being counted as 3/5 of a person.
It was not until the 13th Amendment was adopted in 1865 that slavery in the USA was outlawed. It was not until the 15th Amendment was ratified in 1870 that minorities were allowed to vote. This was about 100 years after the Constitution was written.
Your quote to me of "I don't think you're going to find "protection of slavery" in the Declaration or the Constitution." is right. No where did I say that, either. I said that, "... they want the country to be like the founding fathers envisioned and do forget that slavery was allowed, women could not vote as neither could minorities." Whenever I see one of the Republican candidates or people saying he wants to take the country back to the same way our founding fathers had envisioned it, I cannot help but feel these candidates or people have not come to accept the fact the Constitution has evolved over the years - and this includes the abolition of slavery and the right to vote guaranteed to all citizens. If you are going to atribute a quote to me, please do it correctly.
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Buggy, you're going off the deep end and there's no water in the pool. Look at my post that you commented on above; I said "founding principles"....that's it, nothing else.
You extrapolated that to mean much more than I intended and that's YOUR mistake. I said exactly what I meant to say and even DJ, who disagrees with me more often than not, had to agree to that point.
As to quoting you correctly: Again you're cracking up. In your misinterpretation of my simple wish for returning to the Founding Principles, YOU brought up slavery as if that blot on history negated them. YOU BROUGHT UP SLAVERY..... I merely pointed out to you that "protection of slavery" was not a Founding Principle. Calm down "over zealous one, calm down".....
The Founding Principles.........they're the greatest words ever written this side of the Holy Bible. The people who wrote them had flaws, but the "principles" have none.