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Originally Posted by eweissenbach
Bucco, where have I inimated that those who oppose his policies are the only problem? I even said I would likely not vote for him, so I guess I would be included among those who oppose his policies. I was not aiming at ONLY one group of people, unless you are identifying the group that is dangerously inflammatory. There are plenty of republicans and right wing spokespeople who oppose this president but are able to deal with the issues and argue respectively. I remember when I was very young, President Eisenhower was giving a speech on TV, and I said something that could have been construed as derogatory, but was not addressing it at the President. My mother overheard me and admonished me for not showing the proper respect for the President. That left a deep impression on me as I knew she was a Roosevelt democrat and had not voted for the man, but she still insisted that I show the proper respect. That was a lessen learned more than 50 years ago that has stayed with me. I can tolerate Bush being called shrub and other such silliness, though I personally would not do that, what I am concerned with is the volatile level of hatred directed at this president that is not healthy for the country, and makes me fear for his safety.
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I think I have calmed down sufficiently to give you a response.
First of all, your OP only spoke of remarks aimed at Obama. NO mention of the comments from his campaign or his party at all.
Second, I presume since you posted on this forum, that your remarks would apply here also. If so, I have NEVER, NOT ONCE, heard anything as deragatory as you used as examples on here. I HAVE HEARD from those who support Obama, MOSTLY that kind of remark and never intelligent comments or an attempt to debate whatever the issue may be, and that coupled with the racist call just set me off.
I can only speak for myself...I am opposed to this man on almost every front. I say almost, because even I have found common ground and publicly said so. I have NEVER EVER called him a name...I have never ever even mentioned his family. HOWEVER on the other side it is a completely different view is all I offer.
I can discuss, debate any issue, but those who can ONLY and for some reason are restricted to name calling try my patience. You mentioned giving respect to the President...that is fine, but do you not think that all those who labor in the world of politics, whether you agree with them or not, deserve the SAME respect and civility ? If you do, then where have you been as people, their families and friends are chastized and called names on here with not one condemning word from anyone. I know I over talk about it, but nobody ever condemns it and the first call for respect and civility is from you on Obama and I just lost it. For that I apologize.
I try very hard to make my points on issues and not the person, would never think of applying the cute nicknames and slanderous names that are the crux of many folks TOTAL posts on here. Yet, never saw a call from anyone like you on being civil in those cases.
I am sorry for not being so agreeable, but the names called on here will continue....and nobody will call for civility!
I welcome anyone who wants to debate a point I make about the President to come on here and present their views.....not the one line zingers. I have changed my mind on this very forum as a result of someone giving me info to read that was not from one of the radical groups or making a point that sent me off investigating.
Example.....in 2008 when Obama first brought up and he and Secy Clinton were debating health care, I was opposed to it ALL, in its entirety. I listened to a few posters, read some links, listened to Obama and frankly had my hopes up that perhaps this was the way to go. I wont go into the details of how the man lied to us all, but that very bill cost us A YEAR of working on the economy (since even bolstered by Barney Frank) and what was promised was IGNORED AND NOT EVEN STRIVEN FOR.
That little adventure has taught me not to believe what he says, but it has also hardened me to folks on here who support him because they obviously support him in TOTAL COMPLETE BLINDNESS because they cannot even put a sentence together to support him. Only make fun of anyone who does not.
To me, that COMPLETE BLINDNESS is more scary than what you fear in the rhetoric because I believe the rhetoric is a result of the total and complete blind loyalty