cha cha cha I am fully aware of the dangers of socialized anything. I was pointing out that if it has to be then how it should be to be effective. Merely to highlight the current direction is the worst way as there is no plan and no way to pay.

I am 100% free enterprise, let the chips fall where they may, let the losers fail and be replaced with winners. All supported by 100% participation in taxation....close the loop holes...stop the give aways to those who do not qualify.

And as we all know our political direction in this country is not geared toward what is best for the country. It is geared for what is best for the individual politicians, like Obama.

Most European countries that have socialism compared to the USA of yester year....free enterprise was/is always a winner. Their socialism compared to the out of control entitlement spending of today.....theirs looks much better because it is recognized what it takes to provide the entitlements.....raise the bajesus out of earnings to pay for it.

I do not believe in hand outs.

btk