Originally Posted by Bucco

Let us begin this conversation, and I will just assume it WILL be a conversation by saying I have read and studied Paul Ryans budget and am on record on this forum as well as others as saying it is much too stark but is a great beginning in showing the way this country must go.

Now, let us begin by saying that your comments are the spin from all liberals and have zero justification. A few things from NON biased links....not criticizing your link...they have a job to do but lets quote the unibased CBO.....and this particular passage has wars on the budget but totally disputes what you and those on the left are saying...

"House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s new budget plan specifies a long-term spending path under which, by 2050, most of the federal government aside from Social Security, health care, and defense would cease to exist, according to figures in a Congressional Budget Office analysis released today. [1]

The CBO report, prepared at Chairman Ryan’s request, shows that Ryan’s budget path would shrink federal expenditures for everything other than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and interest payments to just 3¾ percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) by 2050. Since, as CBO notes, “spending for defense alone has not been lower than 3 percent of GDP in any year [since World War II]” and Ryan seeks a high level of defense spending — he increases defense funding by $228 billion over the next ten years above the pre-sequestration baseline

CBO Shows Ryan Budget Would Set Nation on Path to End Most of Government Other Than Social Security, Health Care, and Defense By 2050 — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Now keep in mind that Ryan has changed his original proposal and also keep in mind I am not a fan of either...I am of the direction it would take us....but keep in mind that, for one thing that you always are spouting about on here relative to health care, I give you a quote from USA Today when the compared the Ryan budget with the Obama budget...


"Ryan's plan would require private insurance companies to take all comers, regardless of their condition, and it includes risk-adjustments to give incentive payments to plans that end up covering less healthy individuals."

Fact check: Previewing the Obama vs. Romney (and Ryan) budget battle

I quoted that only because with every comment on health care you bring up how wonderful Obama was to do what Ryan wants to do also...and the link is a good one for comparison of budgets. Keep in mind....

"Much of the Obama-Ryan disagreement is a policy debate over what would work best to slow the growth of Medicare spending — which is the ultimate goal of both sides"

This entire issue is one that needs discussion, but can you recall the last time there was a congressional debate on a budget ? How about NEVER in the last years...NOT ONE. They are all in la la land.

I think I have addressed all but the tax increases you allude to ON SENIORS. The entire Ryan budget is based on being able to totally redo the tax code thus speaking to this is folly but it sure makes for great spin from the left and one of my number of criticisms of this is that it has allowed that. The Republicans are allowing themselves to be set up as bad guys by the left.....neither party desrves anything, but the Senate keeps bringing up bills for votes that are popular and then add things like funding for them from sources that they KNOW the Republicans will vote against..then they can say...oh, the Republicans are against holding the line on interest on student loans...which is total folly...the most recent was the pay thing for women...the congress, and I speak to both parties are so full of hot air, and I assume themselves, that they are useless.

Bottom line is that your one sentence is pure spin...none of it is true, and even though I offer links, etc to show that, even those mean very little. Somehow, someway we need a leader to show the way, because unless we have ONE party in total control it appears that we are not going anywhere but off that cliff that folks keep talking about. And frankly if ONE party IS in total control, I personally find fault with both.

But again.....I read EVERYTHING with an open mind. I am not a dogmatic Republican as you may think. I just happen to think the current occupant of the WH is very dangerous left unfettered. I have no allegiance to either party...and as I said in the thread about leaders, I value character a lot more than most I suppose. Nobody but me mentioned it in that thread and I have been publicly chastised on here for bringing up character issues, but that is what we need....a leader....and if I missed anything come after me.....but sans the name calling, ok ?



CBO Shows Ryan Budget Would Set Nation on Path to End Most of Government Other Than Social Security, Health Care, and Defense By 2050 — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities