Originally Posted by rubicon

VK: America has lost its will to fight as witnessed during the vietnam era. It wasn't until Ronald Reagan re-energized the patrioism in Americans that Americans all felt good about themselves and believed in America's exceptionalism. Following 9/11 the Bush Administration in its belief and desire to protect this nation from its enemies engaged in battles with Iraq and Afganhistian. Predictably, like Vietnam the doves cried foul and politicians interferred with the military's ability to wage a winning war. The situations regarding both theatres of battle detoriated becaue they were poorly managed

Iran like North Korea have leaders who are unbalanced and could unhinge easily and this unpredictability is why North Korea continues to successfully extort favors with their idle threats. Iran has continued down this path and if anyone has any doubt that Iran will not stop until it has nuclear capability is kidding themselves. The thought that North Korea and Iran have this capbility and can sell it on an open market to anyone changes the dynamic.

We have a present Administration that has rejected America's belief in its exceptionalism and hence Americans need not be patriotic. This is internationalism replacing nationalism and so the need to face Iran's challenge will not be met by America. It will be met by the UN and IMHO the UN is useless and in fact a deteriment to our American way of life

What would I do? I would move hard and fast and shove those nuclear plants down the Iranian leaders throats and in the process aid those Iranians who have fought a brave fight for freedom. Because in the long run freeing Iran from their oppressors will return to us many dividends in that part of the world and assist in maintaining peace.

Now that I have committed to my belief the doves will come out of the wood work with all sort of accusations and it all comes down to the fact Americans have lost their will to fight for what they believe and for their their freedom. As with Iran and other similar situations they will say that this is not their fight. Well that is exactly what France said about Germany in WWII and it was Americans that baled France out. France also had this international concept and the fight wasn't theirs until it was theirs.


But a weak President has only exacerbated a weak America and the rest of the world knows it and it is why they either have lost hope of our support or ignore us placing us all in more dangerous world.

I opine others can decide.