oldcoached - you ask, "My question is, how do you propose to win the presidency and congress if you are unable to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans?"

i don't think any republican or conservative has to get a majority of independents to vote for republicans...i think obama is already doing a find job of that!

of course, that belief is only based on my personal interactions with family and friends and is not based on anything i read here or in a newspaper, hear on the radio or from the talking bobblehead personalities on fox and msnbc...it's just my real life experience.