Why don't you just admit you got your fact wrong instead of making up what you believe was "fresh in the minds of the framers" You certainly are entitled to your opinion that the framers insisted on the second amendment. My opinion was that if the framers of the constitution felt it was so important they would have included it in the original document. The Bill of Rights was not in the original document as the Framers didn't feel these were essential. Some may have felt it was self evident. However, several states indicated they would not ratify the constitution with these additions. You may impute whatever motives you like, I only challenged your statement of a fact that was not a fact and I pointed it out to you. Perhaps your location in the State of Confusion should have been my clue. Sorry if I hurt your feellings.