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Originally Posted by buggyone
VK wrote, "
Let's see how it would work...no more Medicare, VA insurance or any other form of government funded health insurance whether you paid in for fifty years or not...then the government is going to give you a voucher and tell you to have at it, buy whatever insurance you want but don't come back for more if the insurance companies raise premiums above the voucher amount. But not to worry folks, the competition between the insurance companies will keep premiums affordable. And stuff like pre-existing conditions or policy drops? Competition will protect you on those fronts too. Like Gordon Gecko said in the movie "Wall Street"...greed is good.
Oh yeah, that'll be popular. And I'm sure that everyone will have implicit trust in the insurance companies not to raise their premiums above what can be afforded with the fixed amount of voucher money.
Let's see, since I retired in 1998, my health insurance premiums have just about tripled. If someone gave me a voucher that would cover my premiums back then, you figure how far under water and uninsured I would be now. That voucher idea doesn't sound to good to me.
By the way, that's the Paul Ryan proposal, isn't it?"
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I would like to hear some like Bucco or RichieLion address the facts in VK's posting, which I think hit the nail on the head. They are always asking for a discussion of issues. This is a major issue.
If those are not the ideas in Paul Ryan's proposal and would not be the ones that Mitt Romney would support, what exactly does Romney support for health care reform?
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Since you mentioned me, I will respond.
Ryan's budget was put forth as a beginning.....was made very clear it was NOT a final product. On the vouchers, they increase as with COLA,not as you guys are stating it....fear is that COLA will not keep up with health costs and THAT is the reason we need some legislation to control health costs, which Obamacare does not even address or come close to. They may or may not work
You guys are jumping on a proposal that was doomed from the start because of the senate....always was pegged to begin discussion but that never happened.
Talking about this right now is not really a good undertaking for a number of reasons...first of all you are already misrepresenting it (vouchers and you dont mention how they do increase in value..probably just forgot) and the entire health cost situation will need to be reworked totally unless the SCOTUS allows it to stand as it is.
I know you want to jump on Romney and the Repubs....thats fine..that is what you want to do, but this is not the time. You havent heard anyone asking about the Presidents plan in immigration he announced..like HOW do you enforce it, etc. It is all election year verbage. BUT.....Ryan tried to address costs...he actually spoke to the committee that the President appointed and then totally ignored.
If you want to hammer away it, have at it...its up to you and again, do not allow facts to deter you, but then that does not seem to ever be a worry.
Already we have blown a hole in VK s little rant....the voucher does not have a forever amount attached to it. It does increase so misrepresentation already..you can check it if you wish but those are the facts.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...yssey=nav|head
Let me say a few things if you dont mind because you are correct...I do enjoy discussin issues and unlike you folks I have no axe to grind with anyone (my problem is and has been always with only Obama and his character).
I have posted already on this thread that the overwhelming majority of americans oppose this Obama care, HOWEVER, if you look at the parts of it, they overwhelmingly support the parts. The parties are not that far apart...the problem is and is with the american people HOW THE BILL WAS put together...the lying...the fact that it does not even address at all COSTS, which was what we were all told it was all about.....it does not address tort reform whch again we were told was VITAL. I supported the plan Obama presented during the primary and general election for gosh sake.
THEN...he played politics....he did blackmail to get votes...he sold out to the insurance industry and thus had to actually make up things to pay for it...I mean it is funded literally with what ifs, and maybes.
It needs to be put together correctly...
"This is, of course, a trick question. That paragraph describes both the Affordable Care Act and Ryan’s proposed Medicare reforms. The insurance markets in both plans are essentially identical. And for good reason.
The Affordable Care Act was based on two decades of Republican thinking about health care. The basic structure was first proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989, first written into a bill by Senate Republicans in 1993, and first passed into law by a Republican governor by the name of Mitt Romney in 2005.
We need to put it together without all the crap he put in the bill to sell it....without selling out we can have great health care bill.
You folks just want to beat on Romney...that is what you do but you can only do it on this issue if you pick out little stuff and leave things out as you did already and VK did.
PS...my post 26 addressed this also but it is ignored because no good slams in it