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Originally Posted by ijusluvit
Bucco, Why would 49 states suddenly decide to set up health care systems which have the positive features of ACA? Your suggestion simply begs the question. Didn't happen in over 200 years, wouldn't happen in another 200. Before the ACA was passed and reaffirmed by the Court, EVERYONE agreed the states were not interested in putting in the effort to set up a decent health care system. Just imagine Texas doing it. The state with the most uninsured. Impossible! Your argument is just as just as much an impossibility today as it has always been.
I have read your many comments about ACA. You have been rather focused on criticizing many of it's features and your general solution is to repeal the entire law. However, despite repeated requests I have yet to read your specifying even a single element of the law which you can DEMONSTRATE needs to be changed, and for which you can offer a constructive revision.
Anyone can SAY that stuff is wrong, unaffordable or unconstitutional. But I'm waiting for you or ANYONE else to show exactly WHAT the problems are, WHY they are, and HOW to fix them, including removing them if there is no alternative.
This is what bothers me most about the current Republican platform. There is only negative talk, not constructive, FEASIBLE suggestions. OK, maybe the candidates can't be constructive because they might lose political points.
But what's stopping you?
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Veryquickly as I have company....I have posted this before. Let me start with this....because of the current administration we now have a law that DOES NOT ADDRESS HEALTH CARE COSTS AND THEY WILL GO UP. It also does not address tort reform....BOTH were promised and I might add touted by Obama as the entire basis for his plan...he made fun of Hillary Clintons plan which is basically what he passed and said HIS was based on cost and tort reform as a base. And before, as most do, you go off on the anti Obama thing...THEY WERE PROMISED and that was about the only thing I thought Obama said on the campaign trail that was interesting and got my attention, But he politicized it so much it has become a FINANCIAL NIGHTMARE that we cannot afford.
Keep that in mind....it sounds great but WE CANNOT AFFORD IT...I dont car if you tax the millionaires to death, WE CANNOT AFFORD IT and this will sink the states.
AND to my knowledge I am not aware of what you mean "EVERYONE agreed the states were not interested in putting in the effort to set up a decent health care system." WHO is everyone ?
There are many good things and I am on board and support the allowing the states to do as MD and MA have already done. In MD if you want to stay on your parents insurance, you can....if you have pre existing condition, you can get insurance....BUT...IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC. They are doing fine with it....The federal government role is to allow exchange and force the insurance companies to abide by rules to allow it.
HOWEVER, if you have read about the formation of this bill and how it is to be paid for...Obama sold out completely to the insurance industry so without repeal it is just going to get worse.
Hope that makes some sense as I am doing it in a rush...lots of good things in the bill...EXCEPT what we wanted..cost and tort reform, AND come 2013 the cost of this bill will rise as it has every 6 months since passed and we will be in so far over our heads it will be just plain insane.
Nobody on any political platform I have heard has criticized the pluses for what is in the bill....that really bugs me to be painted as an unfeeling, insensitive rat as is now becoming the norm if you disagree with the President. NOthing is further from the truth, and despite what you say the Republicans were screaming to be heard at the beginning but the President went behind closed doors. But if you oppose it, it is taken for granted you are a heartless son of a gun, when that is not, and has not been the case....we cannot afford this and there is a better way....no bills due until 2013...oh wait yes there are...setting it up which is not budgeted..oh...we have no budget, sorry.
I am just tired of being called names because I oppose this bill...never oppoosed what it is in it, but in the history of this country there has never been such a large bill passed under such partisan conditions. Why to you think he had to pay off for votes when he controlled both houses.
Guess this is enough for you to take aim at me
And please stop saying there have been no feasible options presented...it is not true....same story with how the right is holding everything up....over 30 bills that will create jobs to some degree cannot see the light of day in the senate as Reid will not even discuss them.....including a bill to stop the IRS scam by illegals.
Listen, both parties are just plain screwed up but you always make it a one way street...and what you say is not true....there are other ideas..many of them but you will never hear of them with this WH and Senate.
Give me your best shot...after the last day or so I flat out dont care anymore...we are NEVER going to talk about issues in this forum and based on what I am seeing in this country...just tear each other down and call names.