Originally Posted by ijusluvit

1) Neither you nor anyone else here has presented factual data that "WE CANNOT AFFORD" ACA. Show me even basic data which includes anticipated costs AND revenues which convinces you we cannot afford ACA. Remember to stack it up against anticipated net costs if we continued with what we have now for another 10-20 years. Failure to provide any data makes your above comment more hearsay. I know it's complicated, but you have to cut through it and present facts, or it's just talk. If you're looking for a good template of comparing costs ACA/no ACA, look above at the excellent outline of US health care cost implications submitted by VK

2) Tort reform is not here yet. It isn't part of ACA. It was a well-documented sacrifice made to achieve ACA. It will be nice to have it some day. It would make ACA even better. Just like eliminating every dollar of Medicare fraud would be nice. One of the reasons I'm tempted to vote for Obama is that he will more likely make those two things a priority than his opponent, especially tort reform.

3) Please. PLEASE, cease the constant reference to Presidential Promises. Statements by candidates or even sitting Presidents about things they want to do, even desperately, are promises only in YOUR mind, not in the reality of our constitutional republic.

4) Prior to the "we will now say anything to attack ACA" days, No one ever suggested 49 more states would even try to institute ACA-like healthcare. I used the EVERYONE word as emphasis that this has never been regarded as feasible. Yeah, there are lots of folks who've said the states SHOULD do it, but I've never read or heard anyone suggest that the states WOULD do it voluntarily.

5) Kindly explain and give some data about how Obama "sold out to the insurance companies".

6) Next time you're talking to your guests, be sure to tell them that the guy you were answering tonight while they were there, is not the one who thinks you're an insensitive rat or a heartless son of a gun. And before you dissolve in despair, I REALLY do want to talk about the issues. How about starting with either #1 or #5 above. (hint: lots of facts).