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Originally Posted by Bucco
I think you need to understand...I will and have given him credit.
I think if you read the posts, I was specifically referring to his not even trying to cross the aisle and bring congress together. It was not all his fault, but he had a chance and just because he could get what he wanted without trying with congress that is what he did and basically snubbed his nose at even his own party in congress. Thus he didnt even try..he was actually insulting during any conversation he allowed the other party to take part in on healthcare.
THAT action or inaction....that is what lead to the TEAPARTY movement among other things and thus the election in 2010 became a reaction to what he was doing in ignoring the other side.
Are Republicans guilt free...heck no.....but just look at the bills piled up in the Senate in the last years....do you really think that Reid is blocking everything without Obama knowing or approving it.
He has shown ZERO leadership in pulling congress together..he has shown either he does not care or that he cannot do it. To me, that is sufficient...he wants to do what HE wants to do...pretty obvious. Of course some of this ideas are just fine but it is without any input from anywhere else
Allow me to make a prediction.....after he is out of office...either this year or in 4 years, you will read so many books and quotes FROM DEMOCRATS who are simply disgusted with their leader ! Just remember where you heard it...they will not turn while he is in office but just keep it stored in the back of your mind and that includes Bill Clinton who will be his best chance this election and will do whatever the party needs.
PS.....the JOBS bill you alllude to was JUST introduced about 8 months ago Where was it and if you read you will find many Democrats who oppose it. Secondly there are and have been over 30 bills sent to the senate over the last year of so....that would create jobs all of different levels that the Democrats, under Obama leadership will not even discuss or vote on. This is a terrific politician and he is shooting wildly since the election season came into play...but I simply ask you to be fair also...why these things in an election year ? Why is the Health care law being paid so retroactively ? Why will not the senate enteratain ANYTHING from the House
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Your first sentence here is a direct contradiction to the post I responded to. You can't say he was "NOTHING but a politician", then say you've given him credit for some accomplishments.
And now you 'clarify' that Obama's real fault was showing "ZERO leadership in pulling Congress together". Wait! You just said he was "NOTHING but a politician". Politicians by definition are successful if they build the coalitions which get things done.
So Bucco, which way is it? You have really waffled on the above post. You know full well that Obama had to pull out all the stops to get the legislation which was passed in his first two years, especially the ACA. In 2010, the annual survey of american history and political science professors placed him as the 15th most effective President in history. Obama had to be the consummate politician and leader during that period. Many in his own party were fearful of the 'drastic" measures (see bailouts, especially auto companies), he proposed. The ACA was the biggest risk because of the fear of the unknown, which had to be accepted to redirect our awful current system, denial of coverage, etc. From the start the Republicans painted themselves into Mitch McConnell's corner. Their mantra, and that of the newborn teapartiers is "it can't be done". Their whole agenda now is to frighten the American people with every bad fantasy which can be conjured up. We are no longer the Can Do Americans.
As I've said before, my glass is half FULL. I am convinced the actions of the Obama administration including ACA have put us in a better position than we were in 2008, the deficit notwithstanding. I am concerned about the polarization between the administration and Congress, which is why I have not yet decided who will get my vote in November.